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The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Further the Russians tend to sympathise with subjects of racism as they for the most parts of th

The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Further the Russians tend to sympathise with subjects of racism as they for the most parts of the previous centuries were subjected to racism by countries to the west of them.

Muromec 3y ago
Oh, the great old anti-imperialism and victimhood of r-country. This story flies much better with people not exposed to russian language and prevalence of ethnic slur in it.
sumedh 3y ago
> The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Wiki says his great grandfather was black. I am not sure how you jumped to the conclusion that Pushkin was black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin
- badpun 3y ago
  Isn't that the distinction used by at least some people in US - you're black if you had any black ancestors (at least in traced history)?
  - jwilk 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
  - stjohnswarts 3y ago
    Not for 60 years or more. That's part of old slave laws and not popular with modern America except with the KKK crowd
moonchrome 3y ago
> The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Is this using the Elizabeth Warren native american logic ?
- ForestCritter 3y ago
  Yup, and so am I. I'm also a Viking, when it suits me (I look more like a Viking although it's much further back in my ancestry than my Native American great grandfather. I get to be a French Gaulois and a Romney Gypsy too. The real question is how can I profit by what I identify as...
qumpis 3y ago
Is this a joke in Russia, i.e. people referring to him as black in order to lessen the view of Russia's outlook to foreigners? I've never heard people refer to Pushkin as being black (and his parents indeed aren't), besides his great grandfather.
- pseg134 3y ago
  I guess you can tell us the percentage of someone’s blood that has to be black for them to be black. What is the percentage?
  - amanaplanacanal 3y ago
    In America it seems to have more to do with culture than ancestry. I would bet that there are lots of people that think of themselves as white whose ancestors came over on slavers ships. Of course if you could trace ancestry back far enough we are all black.
  - tim333 3y ago
    The South Africans used to have a colour chart.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moor_of_Peter_the_Great https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moor_of_Peter_the_Great
shjake 3y ago
> ever was black 1/64th black…
- badpun 3y ago
  Nobody says that Obama is half-black...
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    Yeah, because they talk about racial identity, not just ancestry. Is there any evidence that Pushkin identified as black, rather than being selected as the historical “black friend” to dismiss criticism of a modern state that is actively sponsoring global white supremacy?
    - gspetr 3y ago
      In this piece[0] "Пушкин - Юрьеву" He refers to himself as "a disfigured descendant of negroes". "А я, повеса вечно праздный, Потомок негров безобразный, Взращённый в дикой простоте…" Also, here's an interesting article about Pushkin with some African Americans claiming him to be one of their own, with examples from 1929 and 1983: https://www.livelib.ru/articles/post/63022-kak-pushkin-stal-geroem-afrokomiksov https://www.livelib.ru/articles/post/63022-kak-pushkin-stal-... [0] https://ilibrary.ru/text/182/p.1/index.html https://ilibrary.ru/text/182/p.1/index.html EDIT: There's also this article exploring his African heritage: https://daily.jstor.org/how-alexander-pushkin-was-inspired-by-his-african-heritage/ https://daily.jstor.org/how-alexander-pushkin-was-inspired-b...
- scotty79 3y ago
  His grand-grandfather came from Ethiopia... Isn't it 1/8th?
  - shjake 3y ago
    Yes, your’e right.. My math was terrible
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mepian 3y ago
That's a laugh riot, as a Russian I've heard plenty of racist crap from other Russians unfortunately.
dimaaan 3y ago
And the greatest Russian rock singer was Korean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Tsoi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Tsoi
fmajid 3y ago
Just like Alexandre Dumas...

Muromec 3y ago

Oh, the great old anti-imperialism and victimhood of r-country. This story flies much better with people not exposed to russian language and prevalence of ethnic slur in it.

sumedh 3y ago

> The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Wiki says his great grandfather was black. I am not sure how you jumped to the conclusion that Pushkin was black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin

badpun 3y ago
Isn't that the distinction used by at least some people in US - you're black if you had any black ancestors (at least in traced history)?
- jwilk 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
- stjohnswarts 3y ago
  Not for 60 years or more. That's part of old slave laws and not popular with modern America except with the KKK crowd

moonchrome 3y ago

> The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Is this using the Elizabeth Warren native american logic ?

ForestCritter 3y ago
Yup, and so am I. I'm also a Viking, when it suits me (I look more like a Viking although it's much further back in my ancestry than my Native American great grandfather. I get to be a French Gaulois and a Romney Gypsy too. The real question is how can I profit by what I identify as...

qumpis 3y ago

Is this a joke in Russia, i.e. people referring to him as black in order to lessen the view of Russia's outlook to foreigners? I've never heard people refer to Pushkin as being black (and his parents indeed aren't), besides his great grandfather.

pseg134 3y ago
I guess you can tell us the percentage of someone’s blood that has to be black for them to be black. What is the percentage?
- amanaplanacanal 3y ago
  In America it seems to have more to do with culture than ancestry. I would bet that there are lots of people that think of themselves as white whose ancestors came over on slavers ships. Of course if you could trace ancestry back far enough we are all black.
- tim333 3y ago
  The South Africans used to have a colour chart.
justsomehnguy 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moor_of_Peter_the_Great https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moor_of_Peter_the_Great

shjake 3y ago

> ever was black 1/64th black…

badpun 3y ago
Nobody says that Obama is half-black...
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  Yeah, because they talk about racial identity, not just ancestry. Is there any evidence that Pushkin identified as black, rather than being selected as the historical “black friend” to dismiss criticism of a modern state that is actively sponsoring global white supremacy?
  - gspetr 3y ago
    In this piece[0] "Пушкин - Юрьеву" He refers to himself as "a disfigured descendant of negroes". "А я, повеса вечно праздный, Потомок негров безобразный, Взращённый в дикой простоте…" Also, here's an interesting article about Pushkin with some African Americans claiming him to be one of their own, with examples from 1929 and 1983: https://www.livelib.ru/articles/post/63022-kak-pushkin-stal-geroem-afrokomiksov https://www.livelib.ru/articles/post/63022-kak-pushkin-stal-... [0] https://ilibrary.ru/text/182/p.1/index.html https://ilibrary.ru/text/182/p.1/index.html EDIT: There's also this article exploring his African heritage: https://daily.jstor.org/how-alexander-pushkin-was-inspired-by-his-african-heritage/ https://daily.jstor.org/how-alexander-pushkin-was-inspired-b...
scotty79 3y ago
His grand-grandfather came from Ethiopia... Isn't it 1/8th?
- shjake 3y ago
  Yes, your’e right.. My math was terrible

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mepian 3y ago

That's a laugh riot, as a Russian I've heard plenty of racist crap from other Russians unfortunately.

dimaaan 3y ago

And the greatest Russian rock singer was Korean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Tsoi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Tsoi

fmajid 3y ago

Just like Alexandre Dumas...