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Russia killed a lot more than just its tech industry. While the real impact of this won’t show up for 20 years the impact will be severe. I’m pretty sure Russi

Russia killed a lot more than just its tech industry. While the real impact of this won’t show up for 20 years the impact will be severe. I’m pretty sure Russia will try very hard to attract foreign labor and immigration in the next years to fill some of the gaps that the country has to fill now.

slekker 4y ago
Why do you say the real impact will take 20 years to appear? I’d say it will be even less, but the market and salaries for IT will grow higher as the brain drain intensifies.
- the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
  Because that's about the time it takes for the generation of Russians that are born (or not born) right now to enter the labor force.
chinathrow 4y ago
> I’m pretty sure Russia will try very hard to attract foreign labor and immigration in the next years to fill some of the gaps that the country has to fill now. Good luck...
- the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
  While Russia's reputation is in shatters in the west, I'm not sure if this is true for India, China, Pakistan and other countries. Also Russia's Wagner troupes are currently kicking out European ones in Africa, so I wouldn't be surprised if the reputation of Russia will be good enough for immigration in Africa either. This might very well be a solvable problem for Russia if they really want to.
  - actionfromafar 4y ago
    Good thing Russia is known to be such a welcoming environment for people of colour.
    - meitham 4y ago
      The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Further the Russians tend to sympathise with subjects of racism as they for the most parts of the previous centuries were subjected to racism by countries to the west of them.
      - Muromec 4y ago
        Oh, the great old anti-imperialism and victimhood of r-country. This story flies much better with people not exposed to russian language and prevalence of ethnic slur in it.
      - sumedh 4y ago
        > The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Wiki says his great grandfather was black. I am not sure how you jumped to the conclusion that Pushkin was black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin
        badpun 4y ago
        Isn't that the distinction used by at least some people in US - you're black if you had any black ancestors (at least in traced history)?
        jwilk 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
        stjohnswarts 4y ago
        Not for 60 years or more. That's part of old slave laws and not popular with modern America except with the KKK crowd
  - ixs 4y ago
    If all you require a warm bodies to do menial tasks or low- to no-skilled labor? Sure, Pakistan and Africa will be happy to provide these. If you are trying to rebuild your high-tech industry, however, you require educated people. And why would these go to Russia if they can go to Europe or the US? Immigrating to Russia with possibly be easier, but it’s still Russia…
    - throwaway202303 4y ago
      Nigeria and Ethiopia are both brimming with tech workers that are happy to relocate for money and better prospects. Whether a post-war Russia can offer either remains to be seen.
    - sumedh 4y ago
      > If you are trying to rebuild your high-tech industry, however, you require educated people. If Russia makes it easier with visas and the salary is good enough, many Indians would happily move there.
  - tpm 4y ago
    Russia's attractivity to foreign workers depends the availability of convertible money (sending money out of Russia is currently probably a bit of a problem and will stay so for a long time) and their security (which is probably not a given, with the rise of fascist state the security of foreign workers will not be the highest item on the list). So while everyone likes oil money, not many people will be likely to immigrate to Russia for that.
    - bitL 4y ago
      2/3 of world's population won't have any issue converting currency to yuan if BRICS decide to use it for mutual commerce (though I doubt a WW3 won't happen before this happens).
      - enaaem 4y ago
        India will never agree.
        bitL 4y ago
        Is it because of occasional skirmishes in Himalayas or something else?
adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
their treatment of their existing ethnic minorities will make that fairly difficult. the obvious immigrants for them to take would be refugees from the middle east, but I doubt many of them will want to go to Russia.
- asats 4y ago
  The obvious source of immigrants are the CIS countries, that's where 90%+ of the current immigration comes from. Also in the past it had no problem attracting millions of immigrants as long as the currency exchange was favorable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Russia
- ivan_gammel 4y ago
  Low skilled labor is never going to be a problem while Russia maintains good relationships with Central Asian dictators. Before pandemic Russia had more than 2 million immigrants from that region, all sending money home — it is a major source of cash for those countries. Russian society is racist, but not to the extent when it will make the life of those immigrants unbearable.
atemerev 4y ago
If this abomination of a war will continue for a few more years, they (I cannot say “we” anymore, even though I’m Russian), they will have to resort to bona fide gulags to maintain their workforce. This is how it has happened before.
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thriftwy 4y ago
Russian Federation as a sovereign state is barely 32 years old. You are talking about some impact being visible in 20 years, but that is an impossibly long planning period for RF.

slekker 4y ago

Why do you say the real impact will take 20 years to appear? I’d say it will be even less, but the market and salaries for IT will grow higher as the brain drain intensifies.

the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
Because that's about the time it takes for the generation of Russians that are born (or not born) right now to enter the labor force.

chinathrow 4y ago

> I’m pretty sure Russia will try very hard to attract foreign labor and immigration in the next years to fill some of the gaps that the country has to fill now. Good luck...

the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
While Russia's reputation is in shatters in the west, I'm not sure if this is true for India, China, Pakistan and other countries. Also Russia's Wagner troupes are currently kicking out European ones in Africa, so I wouldn't be surprised if the reputation of Russia will be good enough for immigration in Africa either. This might very well be a solvable problem for Russia if they really want to.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  Good thing Russia is known to be such a welcoming environment for people of colour.
  - meitham 4y ago
    The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Further the Russians tend to sympathise with subjects of racism as they for the most parts of the previous centuries were subjected to racism by countries to the west of them.
    - Muromec 4y ago
      Oh, the great old anti-imperialism and victimhood of r-country. This story flies much better with people not exposed to russian language and prevalence of ethnic slur in it.
    - sumedh 4y ago
      > The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Wiki says his great grandfather was black. I am not sure how you jumped to the conclusion that Pushkin was black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin
      - badpun 4y ago
        Isn't that the distinction used by at least some people in US - you're black if you had any black ancestors (at least in traced history)?
        jwilk 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
        stjohnswarts 4y ago
        Not for 60 years or more. That's part of old slave laws and not popular with modern America except with the KKK crowd
- ixs 4y ago
  If all you require a warm bodies to do menial tasks or low- to no-skilled labor? Sure, Pakistan and Africa will be happy to provide these. If you are trying to rebuild your high-tech industry, however, you require educated people. And why would these go to Russia if they can go to Europe or the US? Immigrating to Russia with possibly be easier, but it’s still Russia…
  - throwaway202303 4y ago
    Nigeria and Ethiopia are both brimming with tech workers that are happy to relocate for money and better prospects. Whether a post-war Russia can offer either remains to be seen.
  - sumedh 4y ago
    > If you are trying to rebuild your high-tech industry, however, you require educated people. If Russia makes it easier with visas and the salary is good enough, many Indians would happily move there.
- tpm 4y ago
  Russia's attractivity to foreign workers depends the availability of convertible money (sending money out of Russia is currently probably a bit of a problem and will stay so for a long time) and their security (which is probably not a given, with the rise of fascist state the security of foreign workers will not be the highest item on the list). So while everyone likes oil money, not many people will be likely to immigrate to Russia for that.
  - bitL 4y ago
    2/3 of world's population won't have any issue converting currency to yuan if BRICS decide to use it for mutual commerce (though I doubt a WW3 won't happen before this happens).
    - enaaem 4y ago
      India will never agree.
      - bitL 4y ago
        Is it because of occasional skirmishes in Himalayas or something else?

adgjlsfhk1 4y ago

their treatment of their existing ethnic minorities will make that fairly difficult. the obvious immigrants for them to take would be refugees from the middle east, but I doubt many of them will want to go to Russia.

asats 4y ago
The obvious source of immigrants are the CIS countries, that's where 90%+ of the current immigration comes from. Also in the past it had no problem attracting millions of immigrants as long as the currency exchange was favorable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Russia
ivan_gammel 4y ago
Low skilled labor is never going to be a problem while Russia maintains good relationships with Central Asian dictators. Before pandemic Russia had more than 2 million immigrants from that region, all sending money home — it is a major source of cash for those countries. Russian society is racist, but not to the extent when it will make the life of those immigrants unbearable.

atemerev 4y ago

If this abomination of a war will continue for a few more years, they (I cannot say “we” anymore, even though I’m Russian), they will have to resort to bona fide gulags to maintain their workforce. This is how it has happened before.

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thriftwy 4y ago

Russian Federation as a sovereign state is barely 32 years old. You are talking about some impact being visible in 20 years, but that is an impossibly long planning period for RF.