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So you're saying Apple knows what I like and what I don't ? It should be my choice

Bendy 3y ago
Apple doesn’t know what you want and neither do you. Apple makes you want. Nobody, least of all oneself, knows what one wants (except in the moment; I want some peanuts) so we have to be told. And you certainly do have a choice, so long as it’s the right one.
mnd999 3y ago
Apple knows what they think is good. It turns out lots of people agree or they wouldn’t be so successful. You have a choice, if you don’t like it buy an Android phone. Or a Sailfish phone, or a KDE phone our one of the other open source phones where the only “apps” are low quality PWA crap. Look how successful they are.
- rpastuszak 3y ago
  > You have a choice, if you don’t like it buy an Android phone. Or a Sailfish phone, or a KDE phone our one of the other open source phones where the only “apps” are low quality PWA crap. Look how successful they are. Do you think that's because of PWA UX being inherently crappy and not, say, the fact that those projects don't have billion (or trillion) USD companies behind them? I think you're mistaking the effect for the cause. PWAs are a way of lowering the barrier of entry for new devs and that's important if you want to achieve any scale. > You have a choice It's kind of a like a thug saying that I have a choice between being slapped in the face, kicked in the butt or subscribing to his Twilight fanfic podcast. Yes, I do have a choice, but neither of the choices is really something I'm looking forward to. Betamax vs. VHS comes to mind too. I think the line of thinking in the parent comment is a bit naive. There's nothing inherently wrong with PWAs from the UX pov if we take monopolies and FUD into account. That's the reason it is harder to build a PWA with really good UX now (harder but not impossible).
- justeleblanc 3y ago
  The fact that they're successful doesn't mean that they're right about every single decision they make. This kind of reasoning is inane.
  - rpastuszak 3y ago
    I think the parent is mistaking the effect for the cause, and our choices as consumers are limited. Hence the choice often is the flavour of the lesser evil we're most comfortable with.

Apple doesn’t know what you want and neither do you. Apple makes you want. Nobody, least of all oneself, knows what one wants (except in the moment; I want some peanuts) so we have to be told. And you certainly do have a choice, so long as it’s the right one.

mnd999 3y ago

Apple knows what they think is good. It turns out lots of people agree or they wouldn’t be so successful. You have a choice, if you don’t like it buy an Android phone. Or a Sailfish phone, or a KDE phone our one of the other open source phones where the only “apps” are low quality PWA crap. Look how successful they are.

rpastuszak 3y ago
> You have a choice, if you don’t like it buy an Android phone. Or a Sailfish phone, or a KDE phone our one of the other open source phones where the only “apps” are low quality PWA crap. Look how successful they are. Do you think that's because of PWA UX being inherently crappy and not, say, the fact that those projects don't have billion (or trillion) USD companies behind them? I think you're mistaking the effect for the cause. PWAs are a way of lowering the barrier of entry for new devs and that's important if you want to achieve any scale. > You have a choice It's kind of a like a thug saying that I have a choice between being slapped in the face, kicked in the butt or subscribing to his Twilight fanfic podcast. Yes, I do have a choice, but neither of the choices is really something I'm looking forward to. Betamax vs. VHS comes to mind too. I think the line of thinking in the parent comment is a bit naive. There's nothing inherently wrong with PWAs from the UX pov if we take monopolies and FUD into account. That's the reason it is harder to build a PWA with really good UX now (harder but not impossible).
justeleblanc 3y ago
The fact that they're successful doesn't mean that they're right about every single decision they make. This kind of reasoning is inane.
- rpastuszak 3y ago
  I think the parent is mistaking the effect for the cause, and our choices as consumers are limited. Hence the choice often is the flavour of the lesser evil we're most comfortable with.