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> "...expecting them to write all of the code they need from scratch?" Yes! Coding is not about downloading a library and hoping it prevents you needing to cod

> "...expecting them to write all of the code they need from scratch?" Yes! Coding is not about downloading a library and hoping it prevents you needing to code. > "writing a whole interactive animation library" You mean all 20 lines of code needed for an animated widget? Sure... let's download a 500 line animation library and use 5% of its functionality. Package ideology reminds me of Wordpress plugins. "Just use a plugin" works great until you're drowning in plugins and your server CPU is spiking beyond reason because the plugins don't all play nice together. As I said, the designer who codes may be welcomed by their engineer colleagues, who provide flexible means for them to contribute and push changes. Perhaps to a certain branch or otherwise streamline the process via Github Desktop or some less intense process, or even just sFTP to a place that can be previewed for later integration once everyone is happy the code is sound.

zamnos 3y ago
> You mean all 20 lines of code needed for an animated widget? Sure... let's download a 500 line animation library and use 5% of its functionality. Oh good, I was worried you actually understood what it's like to be new and not very good at programming, as we all were, when we first started out. That you're dragging in an unrelated rant about WordPress plugins tells me all I need to understand about where you're coming from.
- exodust 3y ago
  You didn't like my Wordpress plugin comparison!? I'll write it better. Package clutter, maintenance, integrity, updates, all those things are spinning plates. Similar to Wordpress' needy and naggy plugin ecosystem found there. New coders/designers should spin less plates at once. Raw CSS animation, then JS loops, timers and manipulations. Add a one line easing function you find somewhere such as this excellent page: spicyyoghurt.com/tools/easing-functions, and this helps fulfil the "who codes" goal more than "who installs." You're right there are libraries that will be used and useful. But don't be surprised if designer-types are not too fond of some backend-centric workflows and tools popular among programmers, Which is okay. Diversity of tools and approaches is a good thing. Aiming for minimal code sent to client is a good thing. Hope that leaves on a better note.

zamnos 3y ago

> You mean all 20 lines of code needed for an animated widget? Sure... let's download a 500 line animation library and use 5% of its functionality. Oh good, I was worried you actually understood what it's like to be new and not very good at programming, as we all were, when we first started out. That you're dragging in an unrelated rant about WordPress plugins tells me all I need to understand about where you're coming from.

exodust 3y ago
You didn't like my Wordpress plugin comparison!? I'll write it better. Package clutter, maintenance, integrity, updates, all those things are spinning plates. Similar to Wordpress' needy and naggy plugin ecosystem found there. New coders/designers should spin less plates at once. Raw CSS animation, then JS loops, timers and manipulations. Add a one line easing function you find somewhere such as this excellent page: spicyyoghurt.com/tools/easing-functions, and this helps fulfil the "who codes" goal more than "who installs." You're right there are libraries that will be used and useful. But don't be surprised if designer-types are not too fond of some backend-centric workflows and tools popular among programmers, Which is okay. Diversity of tools and approaches is a good thing. Aiming for minimal code sent to client is a good thing. Hope that leaves on a better note.