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> preventing people from doing something "for their own good" is never the right solution. https://www.osha.gov/etools/machine-guarding/presses/two-hand-contro

> preventing people from doing something "for their own good" is never the right solution. https://www.osha.gov/etools/machine-guarding/presses/two-hand-controls https://www.osha.gov/etools/machine-guarding/presses/two-han... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockout%E2%80%93tagout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockout%E2%80%93tagout > educate people on proper online safety measures so that they don't fall victim to fraudulent attempts. This is so inefficient and prone to failure. You think you're an expert, but my mom is not an expert. I don't want to educate my mom, I want to just hand her something that's safe to use.

razemio 4y ago
Your mum would be tech-savvy enough to enable "allow ipa from untrusted sources" buried deep in the settings? That's how it works on Android. I believe the main problem with android is, that there are tons of old devices not receiving any security updates. It's close to impossible, that my mum figures out how to install an untrusted apk on her Samsung s22. I guess what I want to say is: Having good security should not prevent you from installing custom software if you want to.
- hayst4ck 4y ago
  My mom can barely use the app store. The side-loading debate is an indirect reference and to talk about side loading it must first be decomposed. Question 1 is should Apple be able to prevent an engineer from running software they want on their phone? Probably not. Question 2 is should Apple be able to prevent a layman from running software they want on their phone with effort? Debatable. Question 3 is should Apple be able to prevent a layman from running software they want on their phone easily? I think so. Question 4 is should Apple be able to prevent an alternative app store? Yes. Definitely. So should side loading be allowed depends greatly on which question a person is asking and what the "sideloading" reference is pointing to. Should I be able to choose what medicines I want to take without a pharmacist/MD? I have a hard time with this because I think I should be able to ingest whatever I want and I think I am more intelligent than the average person, on the flip side, I think if I were a pharmacist, I would say absolutely not. If you asked me if anyone should be able to take any medication they want without blessing, I look at the ivermectin debacle and realize "probably not."
wiseowise 4y ago
> https://www.osha.gov/etools/machine-guarding/presses/two-han https://www.osha.gov/etools/machine-guarding/presses/two-han... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockout%E2%80%93tagout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockout%E2%80%93tagout Not sure what those links are supposed to show, but having safeguards and completely disallowing something is a different matter. If all, you're just proving parent's point.
- hayst4ck 4y ago
  Two handed presses are a technical prevention which restricts a person from putting their hands in danger. Education was not enough. Lockout/tagout is a technical prevention which restricts other people from messing with a system that could endanger you. Education was not enough. A monopoly app store is a technical prevention that restricts someone from running un-vetted software that could potentially steal your life savings or compromise your entire digital life. Do you think education is enough? I am not saying that that is true or correct, but I do think that's an argument that someone who disagrees would have to take in good faith and respond to satisfactorily.
  - wiseowise 4y ago
    > Two handed presses are a technical prevention which restricts a person from putting their hands in danger. Education was not enough. That's what "Are you sure you want to enable sideloading?" toggle is. > Lockout/tagout is a technical prevention which restricts other people from messing with a system that could endanger you. Education was not enough. That's what OS is. > A monopoly app store is a technical prevention that restricts someone from running un-vetted software that could potentially steal your life savings or compromise your entire digital life. Do you think education is enough? A monopoly app store is a technical prevention that restricts someone from running un-vetted software that could potentially prevent monopoly app store revenue or god-forbid bypass DRM. So what? And App Store absolutely does have malware https://lifehacker.com/great-now-the-apple-app-store-has-malware-too-1849386738 https://lifehacker.com/great-now-the-apple-app-store-has-mal.... If it's not even 100% secure then it's not worth sacrificing my freedom to choose.

razemio 4y ago

Your mum would be tech-savvy enough to enable "allow ipa from untrusted sources" buried deep in the settings? That's how it works on Android. I believe the main problem with android is, that there are tons of old devices not receiving any security updates. It's close to impossible, that my mum figures out how to install an untrusted apk on her Samsung s22. I guess what I want to say is: Having good security should not prevent you from installing custom software if you want to.

hayst4ck 4y ago
My mom can barely use the app store. The side-loading debate is an indirect reference and to talk about side loading it must first be decomposed. Question 1 is should Apple be able to prevent an engineer from running software they want on their phone? Probably not. Question 2 is should Apple be able to prevent a layman from running software they want on their phone with effort? Debatable. Question 3 is should Apple be able to prevent a layman from running software they want on their phone easily? I think so. Question 4 is should Apple be able to prevent an alternative app store? Yes. Definitely. So should side loading be allowed depends greatly on which question a person is asking and what the "sideloading" reference is pointing to. Should I be able to choose what medicines I want to take without a pharmacist/MD? I have a hard time with this because I think I should be able to ingest whatever I want and I think I am more intelligent than the average person, on the flip side, I think if I were a pharmacist, I would say absolutely not. If you asked me if anyone should be able to take any medication they want without blessing, I look at the ivermectin debacle and realize "probably not."

wiseowise 4y ago

> https://www.osha.gov/etools/machine-guarding/presses/two-han https://www.osha.gov/etools/machine-guarding/presses/two-han... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockout%E2%80%93tagout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockout%E2%80%93tagout Not sure what those links are supposed to show, but having safeguards and completely disallowing something is a different matter. If all, you're just proving parent's point.

hayst4ck 4y ago
Two handed presses are a technical prevention which restricts a person from putting their hands in danger. Education was not enough. Lockout/tagout is a technical prevention which restricts other people from messing with a system that could endanger you. Education was not enough. A monopoly app store is a technical prevention that restricts someone from running un-vetted software that could potentially steal your life savings or compromise your entire digital life. Do you think education is enough? I am not saying that that is true or correct, but I do think that's an argument that someone who disagrees would have to take in good faith and respond to satisfactorily.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  > Two handed presses are a technical prevention which restricts a person from putting their hands in danger. Education was not enough. That's what "Are you sure you want to enable sideloading?" toggle is. > Lockout/tagout is a technical prevention which restricts other people from messing with a system that could endanger you. Education was not enough. That's what OS is. > A monopoly app store is a technical prevention that restricts someone from running un-vetted software that could potentially steal your life savings or compromise your entire digital life. Do you think education is enough? A monopoly app store is a technical prevention that restricts someone from running un-vetted software that could potentially prevent monopoly app store revenue or god-forbid bypass DRM. So what? And App Store absolutely does have malware https://lifehacker.com/great-now-the-apple-app-store-has-malware-too-1849386738 https://lifehacker.com/great-now-the-apple-app-store-has-mal.... If it's not even 100% secure then it's not worth sacrificing my freedom to choose.