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Defenders of Apple's policies always say you can just use other tech if you don't agree with them. The same principle applies here. If an app requires you to us

Defenders of Apple's policies always say you can just use other tech if you don't agree with them. The same principle applies here. If an app requires you to use a third party app store and you don't like it then choose another app. If you feel compelled to use a product with policies you don't agree with then now you understand how many of us feel about iOS.

Spivak 3y ago
But there's no push, you can literally ignore Apple's existence and use none of their products and you'll have no care in the world. Apple's network effect is basically zero. There's always one Android user in the friend group that spoils iMessage and FaceTime so we have to use something else anyway. If you mean you feel compelled to sell in their store which requires a laptop, a business relationship with Apple, and realistically a phone because emulator only sucks then that's a business decision if the juice is worth the squeeze.
- Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
  >Apple's network effect is basically zero. >There's always one Android user in the friend group that spoils iMessage and FaceTime
  - Spivak 3y ago
    Yes. That's literally my point. It's really hard for Apple to establish a network effect when any group above a certain size can't use iMessage or FaceTime and have to use a 3rd party app like Discord, Snap, or Messenger. You can't be the "everyone else is one it" social network when every Apple user uses a 3rd party messenger and video chat app for at least one person. That app ends up being the winner.
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- cageface 3y ago
  No business with a mobile component can afford to ignore iOS. And a lot of apps launch early on iOS or have better features on iOS or never even launch at all on Android. Less so these days but it's still a thing. I was just in Japan and you can use an iPhone to pay for mass transit but not a non Japanese Android phone, just as one recent example.

Spivak 3y ago

But there's no push, you can literally ignore Apple's existence and use none of their products and you'll have no care in the world. Apple's network effect is basically zero. There's always one Android user in the friend group that spoils iMessage and FaceTime so we have to use something else anyway. If you mean you feel compelled to sell in their store which requires a laptop, a business relationship with Apple, and realistically a phone because emulator only sucks then that's a business decision if the juice is worth the squeeze.

Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
>Apple's network effect is basically zero. >There's always one Android user in the friend group that spoils iMessage and FaceTime
- Spivak 3y ago
  Yes. That's literally my point. It's really hard for Apple to establish a network effect when any group above a certain size can't use iMessage or FaceTime and have to use a 3rd party app like Discord, Snap, or Messenger. You can't be the "everyone else is one it" social network when every Apple user uses a 3rd party messenger and video chat app for at least one person. That app ends up being the winner.
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cageface 3y ago
No business with a mobile component can afford to ignore iOS. And a lot of apps launch early on iOS or have better features on iOS or never even launch at all on Android. Less so these days but it's still a thing. I was just in Japan and you can use an iPhone to pay for mass transit but not a non Japanese Android phone, just as one recent example.