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No, the second is perfectly fine. I pay a monthly fee for internet - and that's the admission fee I have to pay to access the service. And I get sent a modem/r

by hooby 3y ago

No, the second is perfectly fine. I pay a monthly fee for internet - and that's the admission fee I have to pay to access the service. And I get sent a modem/router - a piece of hardware - that I don't own, but that's only being lent to me. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

zamnos 3y ago
Are other devices allowed on the network though? If your want to rent your modem, that's your perogative. But I don't want to rent my modem. And AT&T being a convicted monopolist set precedent that means they actually are not allowed to stop me from using my own hardware. And if I'm using my own hardware, I don't need to rent their modem, which means I don't need to pay their modem rental fee.
- hooby 3y ago
  > Are other devices allowed on the network though? By default yes - but I can switch that to only allowing devices I whitelisted through the web interface. It's not full admin rights - but for my purpose it's sufficient. > If your want to rent your modem, that's your perogative. But I don't want to rent my modem. And AT&T being a convicted monopolist set precedent that means they actually are not allowed to stop me from using my own hardware. And if I'm using my own hardware, I don't need to rent their modem, which means I don't need to pay their modem rental fee. I agree that "bring your own modem" should be fully allowed (and obviously free of any rental fee - not that I'm paying any, the modem/router comes pretty much free with the contract).
hayst4ck 3y ago
So apple is actually guilty of false marketing? So if apple accepts returns for their products for a reasonable amount of time, you don't really have a problem? You definitely wouldn't buy a second iPhone either since now you understand what an iPhone is, when you didn't before? What you're saying is your core problem with an iPhone is not structural, but semantic?

by hooby 3y ago

zamnos 3y ago

Are other devices allowed on the network though? If your want to rent your modem, that's your perogative. But I don't want to rent my modem. And AT&T being a convicted monopolist set precedent that means they actually are not allowed to stop me from using my own hardware. And if I'm using my own hardware, I don't need to rent their modem, which means I don't need to pay their modem rental fee.

hooby 3y ago
> Are other devices allowed on the network though? By default yes - but I can switch that to only allowing devices I whitelisted through the web interface. It's not full admin rights - but for my purpose it's sufficient. > If your want to rent your modem, that's your perogative. But I don't want to rent my modem. And AT&T being a convicted monopolist set precedent that means they actually are not allowed to stop me from using my own hardware. And if I'm using my own hardware, I don't need to rent their modem, which means I don't need to pay their modem rental fee. I agree that "bring your own modem" should be fully allowed (and obviously free of any rental fee - not that I'm paying any, the modem/router comes pretty much free with the contract).

hayst4ck 3y ago

So apple is actually guilty of false marketing? So if apple accepts returns for their products for a reasonable amount of time, you don't really have a problem? You definitely wouldn't buy a second iPhone either since now you understand what an iPhone is, when you didn't before? What you're saying is your core problem with an iPhone is not structural, but semantic?