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Good. I personally agree with Apple’s stance. I don’t want developers of popular apps to be able to bypass Apple’s reviews and push dark patterns on users. Be

Good. I personally agree with Apple’s stance. I don’t want developers of popular apps to be able to bypass Apple’s reviews and push dark patterns on users. Before anyone talks about choice, I see this as akin to minimum wages and union memberships. There are some limitations of choices that often end up being beneficial to the average person. From the point of view of the user (if not the app developer) Apple’s walled garden provides me what I want. If I wanted something more open, I would have gone with Android. I am happy that Europe’s short-sightedness will not affect me.

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- sfe22 4y ago
  It kind of makes sense. Both are closed systems that place rules what is good or bad for their members. If we cannot trust a person to choose whether a certain salary is good or bad for them, why would we trust them to decide what apps are good or bad for them?
  - overthrow 4y ago
    The minimum wage is beneficial because employers tend to have more leverage than employees in the relationship. It's actually similar to the leverage Apple has over its users. And they've used that leverage to control what apps people are allowed to use. So the EU forcing Apple to let users install apps serves a similar purpose as the minimum wage - both are curtailing potential abuses against a group of people with little power in their situation.
    - RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
      The same logic applies. Users have less leverage over popular apps. Hence they rely on someone who has more leverage over the app developers (Apple) to shift the balance on their favor. Note that most of the complaints about Apple’s ecosystem are from developers, not from actual users.
Krssst 4y ago
> I personally agree with Apple’s stance. I don’t want developers of popular apps to be able to bypass Apple’s reviews and push dark patterns on users. They just have to make it hard to install apps outside the store, then apps that don't follow Apple's model won't get much of an install base and will have to comply anyway in the end. Also, Android users seem to be discriminated in America for some reason (the green/blue bubble BS) , so the choice between Android and iOS is not as free as it seems.

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sfe22 4y ago
It kind of makes sense. Both are closed systems that place rules what is good or bad for their members. If we cannot trust a person to choose whether a certain salary is good or bad for them, why would we trust them to decide what apps are good or bad for them?
- overthrow 4y ago
  The minimum wage is beneficial because employers tend to have more leverage than employees in the relationship. It's actually similar to the leverage Apple has over its users. And they've used that leverage to control what apps people are allowed to use. So the EU forcing Apple to let users install apps serves a similar purpose as the minimum wage - both are curtailing potential abuses against a group of people with little power in their situation.
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
    The same logic applies. Users have less leverage over popular apps. Hence they rely on someone who has more leverage over the app developers (Apple) to shift the balance on their favor. Note that most of the complaints about Apple’s ecosystem are from developers, not from actual users.

Krssst 4y ago

> I personally agree with Apple’s stance. I don’t want developers of popular apps to be able to bypass Apple’s reviews and push dark patterns on users. They just have to make it hard to install apps outside the store, then apps that don't follow Apple's model won't get much of an install base and will have to comply anyway in the end. Also, Android users seem to be discriminated in America for some reason (the green/blue bubble BS) , so the choice between Android and iOS is not as free as it seems.