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So .. we form a mob and lynch them? If I forget my 'ignore them' position for a second: Either they do violate the law or they don't. If they do, the law is re

So .. we form a mob and lynch them? If I forget my 'ignore them' position for a second: Either they do violate the law or they don't. If they do, the law is responsible here, not you/we. If they don't, it's a rather weird idea to hunt them down and blackmail them to stop that behavior or you're telling the employer/his wife/his mom about those Facebook posts. Let's focus on improvements to moderation systems and teach people around us that they shouldn't take random posts on the internet serious.

coryl 15y ago
Well, firstly I never seriously suggested we systematically do anything to trolls as a form of real justice. Secondly, you ( and other people) shape society's culture and norms. Trolling is a matter of culture, not just law, and it is not simply the governments responsibility or not. The people pass laws which the government enforces (or at least that's how its suppose to work in a democracy). Thirdly, I actually made the same comment as you the other day, regarding "don't take internet comments seriously". Here's a great reply: I will play the part of the alarmist and also be the first to invoke Goodwin's law by stating that unchecked rhetoric was the first psych-ops that the Nazi's used. Group acceptance of dehumanizing a different group is the first step down a horrible path. It should be checked at every advance. The seed in America seems to have happened with Muslims, as it was acceptable in good company to view them all as fundamentalist psychopaths, the government and media where all to willing to reinforce such group think as it strengthen their case for war, now that the seed has set it has grown to bear fruit. Vilifying or dehumanizing a group of people always leads down a path of darkness. I would not hastily blow it off as being stupid and crap said on the internet, it is a dangerous mindset, that is easily infection to those susceptible to group think and the sewers of it tend to be far too willing to act when they feel emboldened by numbers and the echo chamber. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3559345 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3559345
asr 15y ago
If, like me (and the US Constitution), you think we should have extremely strong freedom of speech protections, that doesn't mean you automatically think there shouldn't be private repercussions to some speech.
snowwrestler 15y ago
It's free speech both ways. The troll is free to post nasty stuff on the web, and other people are free to tell his acquaintances that he did it.

coryl 15y ago

Well, firstly I never seriously suggested we systematically do anything to trolls as a form of real justice. Secondly, you ( and other people) shape society's culture and norms. Trolling is a matter of culture, not just law, and it is not simply the governments responsibility or not. The people pass laws which the government enforces (or at least that's how its suppose to work in a democracy). Thirdly, I actually made the same comment as you the other day, regarding "don't take internet comments seriously". Here's a great reply: I will play the part of the alarmist and also be the first to invoke Goodwin's law by stating that unchecked rhetoric was the first psych-ops that the Nazi's used. Group acceptance of dehumanizing a different group is the first step down a horrible path. It should be checked at every advance. The seed in America seems to have happened with Muslims, as it was acceptable in good company to view them all as fundamentalist psychopaths, the government and media where all to willing to reinforce such group think as it strengthen their case for war, now that the seed has set it has grown to bear fruit. Vilifying or dehumanizing a group of people always leads down a path of darkness. I would not hastily blow it off as being stupid and crap said on the internet, it is a dangerous mindset, that is easily infection to those susceptible to group think and the sewers of it tend to be far too willing to act when they feel emboldened by numbers and the echo chamber. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3559345 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3559345

asr 15y ago

If, like me (and the US Constitution), you think we should have extremely strong freedom of speech protections, that doesn't mean you automatically think there shouldn't be private repercussions to some speech.

snowwrestler 15y ago

It's free speech both ways. The troll is free to post nasty stuff on the web, and other people are free to tell his acquaintances that he did it.