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>>> Build a system that solves problems, but with an important user-facing control. ... >>> Convince the user that it is their job to find a instantiation or setting of this control to make the system work for their tasks. By golly, you just described playing the cello.

civilized 4y ago
But the cello sounds good.
- tobyjsullivan 4y ago
  And if it doesn’t sound good, it must be the player’s fault, not the instrument’s. For the cello certainly sounded good on another piece.
ChainOfFools 4y ago
but the cello isnt being spun by the musical instrument press (and cottage industry of self-appointed advisors to wealthy royal music patrons) as a self-playing enchanted wonder capable of performing any piece, real or imagined, with limitless creative and technical skill and requiring little more guidance than vague requests hummed out of tune by its handler.
mardifoufs 4y ago
I'm afraid to ask, but what's the lore behind the cello? I'm completely clueless about music, sadly enough.
- mcv 4y ago
  Fretless string instruments like the cello and the violin are notoriously hard to even get a good note out of. Beginners just learning to play tend to produce a sound not unlike a cat being strangled. Playing a cello takes real skill. Even producing a single good note takes practice. Whereas on a piano, producing a good note is trivial. The skill comes in playing a complex requiring 10 fingers. So I guess the author of the article expected these new AI systems to be more like a piano, but ue got a cello instead.
- martyvis 4y ago
  Having seen my daughter progress from a 4 year old beginner on the cello to eventually playing in a state orchestra and now teaching it, I guess my take is that fundamentally it is a beautiful instrument. It is designed to resonate close to the human voice. But like the voice, there is an infinite amount of variation - on where to press the fingerboard, how to move the bow. Just like learning to speak and sing with articulation takes years of experience. She became extremely proficient, but just giving her a well made cello didn't achieve anything much. It was only with many hours of coaching and practice refining the input based on the output.
itsthecourier 4y ago
I swear to God, I have suffered more playing cello than dealing with pointers in C
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- Temporary_31337 4y ago
  Maybe that’s the key to raise successful programming kids- introduce them to a hobby that is worse than programming and let them switch later
- coliveira 4y ago
  Playing Cello is a profession, not a Hobby. Nobody wakes up in the morning thinking: I need to play some Cello. It is only needed as part of an orchestra. Whatever else you learned about this is mostly an invention of the media.
  - analog31 4y ago
    What media? Any references? Amateur musicians outnumber professionals, on most instruments. There are entire amateur orchestras. I'm am amateur cellist. I took cello lessons as a kid, and played in a community orchestra. I also played in a lot of smaller (so called "chamber") ensembles, and learned some solo cello pieces. I never expected to pursue cello as a career. At the start of the pandemic, I got out my old student cello and started playing it again, strictly for my own pleasure. I will never get good enough to play classical music for money. I have found some jam sessions where my cello is welcome among folk musicians, and have also begun learning to play jazz on the cello. It sure is a hobby, but one that's not for everybody. Instant gratification? Forget it. Endless struggle? You bet. Most amateur cellists learned the instrument as kids, but that still accounts for a lot of people.

civilized 4y ago

But the cello sounds good.

tobyjsullivan 4y ago
And if it doesn’t sound good, it must be the player’s fault, not the instrument’s. For the cello certainly sounded good on another piece.

ChainOfFools 4y ago

but the cello isnt being spun by the musical instrument press (and cottage industry of self-appointed advisors to wealthy royal music patrons) as a self-playing enchanted wonder capable of performing any piece, real or imagined, with limitless creative and technical skill and requiring little more guidance than vague requests hummed out of tune by its handler.

mardifoufs 4y ago

I'm afraid to ask, but what's the lore behind the cello? I'm completely clueless about music, sadly enough.

mcv 4y ago
Fretless string instruments like the cello and the violin are notoriously hard to even get a good note out of. Beginners just learning to play tend to produce a sound not unlike a cat being strangled. Playing a cello takes real skill. Even producing a single good note takes practice. Whereas on a piano, producing a good note is trivial. The skill comes in playing a complex requiring 10 fingers. So I guess the author of the article expected these new AI systems to be more like a piano, but ue got a cello instead.
martyvis 4y ago
Having seen my daughter progress from a 4 year old beginner on the cello to eventually playing in a state orchestra and now teaching it, I guess my take is that fundamentally it is a beautiful instrument. It is designed to resonate close to the human voice. But like the voice, there is an infinite amount of variation - on where to press the fingerboard, how to move the bow. Just like learning to speak and sing with articulation takes years of experience. She became extremely proficient, but just giving her a well made cello didn't achieve anything much. It was only with many hours of coaching and practice refining the input based on the output.

itsthecourier 4y ago

I swear to God, I have suffered more playing cello than dealing with pointers in C

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Temporary_31337 4y ago
Maybe that’s the key to raise successful programming kids- introduce them to a hobby that is worse than programming and let them switch later
coliveira 4y ago
Playing Cello is a profession, not a Hobby. Nobody wakes up in the morning thinking: I need to play some Cello. It is only needed as part of an orchestra. Whatever else you learned about this is mostly an invention of the media.
- analog31 4y ago
  What media? Any references? Amateur musicians outnumber professionals, on most instruments. There are entire amateur orchestras. I'm am amateur cellist. I took cello lessons as a kid, and played in a community orchestra. I also played in a lot of smaller (so called "chamber") ensembles, and learned some solo cello pieces. I never expected to pursue cello as a career. At the start of the pandemic, I got out my old student cello and started playing it again, strictly for my own pleasure. I will never get good enough to play classical music for money. I have found some jam sessions where my cello is welcome among folk musicians, and have also begun learning to play jazz on the cello. It sure is a hobby, but one that's not for everybody. Instant gratification? Forget it. Endless struggle? You bet. Most amateur cellists learned the instrument as kids, but that still accounts for a lot of people.