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Je n'apprendre pas le français vite avec Duolingo, mais je apprendre il. J'adore Duolingo. Je l'utilise avec Apple Translate et Google Translate et j'ai changem

Je n'apprendre pas le français vite avec Duolingo, mais je apprendre il. J'adore Duolingo. Je l'utilise avec Apple Translate et Google Translate et j'ai changement ma langue dans macOS et iOS en français pour apprendre en immersion. Ma Spotify Discover Weekly est plein avec français musique aussi, qui aide me apprendre plus mots. Est-ce que mon français bon? Non, sure. Mais, j'essaie et je pence que c'est amusant ! Mais, il faut vouloir l'apprendre en général. Édit : Ah ! De plus, il y a Reddit français sur reddit.fr qui est plutôt cool.

ptidhomme 4y ago
Not so bad, but it shows you are sometimes translating english constructs to french words literally. FWIW I've recently used Michel Thomas method to learn a language starting from zero, and found I got comfortable building my own phrases very fast. It's audio only, you just have to respond to questions in the target language before the answer is spoken, almost painless. (this is not an ad, I have no relation to Michel Thomas method). It's not perfect either but I feel it's the best introduction to the mecanisms of a forein language, after which you can start adding up vocabulary.
- andrewmcwatters 4y ago
  Oui, je ne connais pas beaucoup d'expressions françaises, alors j'essaie de les construire avec des phrases anglaises. Mais ce n'est pas vraiment apprendre une autre langue quand tu faites cela.
anbende 4y ago
You asked if your French was good, so here you go. I have some experience with French standardized testing. I had to pass a B2 (upper intermediate) exam for Canadian immigration and a C1 (lower advanced) exam for my professional license in Quebec. I think this actually highlights a lot of the problems that people have with duolingo. You aren't terrible at French, but you are missing exactly the skills people malign Duolingo for not teaching. There are problems with word order, which looks like a lot of word to word translation or bad Google Translate (e.g., "Est-ce que mon francais bon?" is odd and unnatural). Your present-tense is spotty (e.g., it should be "j'apprends" not "je apprendre"), and your ability to use other tenses correctly appears non-existent (e.g., it should be "j'ai changé" not "j'ai changement" which translates as "I have change"). I don't think you'd pass a B1 exam (lower intermediate) given the above. Maaaybe A2 (upper elementary) for comprehension if your comprehension is better than your production. I suspect you'd have a great deal of difficulty communicating with a native speaker without the help of translation software as well.
- andrewmcwatters 4y ago
  Yep, I don't think my French even compares to a primary school student. I just haven't been learning long enough, and I speak to no native speakers on a daily basis. I've probably been learning for less than a year. I think A2 is generous, I think I'm still learning at an A1 level. I'm hoping after 2 to 4 years, I'll have a bit more understanding. Thank you for your insights!
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  Does the fact thar they have been learning less than a year change your mind at all here? I don't think most people would pass a B1 exam in any language after only a year of learning unless they were extremely motivated and maybe a bit of a language savant. I suspect most Canadian-born anglophones who took French through high school but stopped there would not be able to do better, despite having years of French instruction in classrooms.
  - anbende 4y ago
    Change my mind? I hadn't meant to make a value judgement about their progress. How could I not knowing how long they've studied? My comment was about the current level of their French. It's in the elementary range A1-A2, with some problems that look Duolingo-specific around tenses and conjugation. Would a year of classroom instruction produce better results? I think it would produce different results. I think they'd know basic present-tense verb conjugation, especially first-person. I think they might also get the passé composé (main tense used for past actions) and "aller-verb" ("going to" verb) construction for future tense (which wasn't relevant to the post). My main point was about the Duolingo-specific errors. Classroom instruction tries to give grammar and conjugation tools that will allow you to construct French. It does not always do so well or efficiently (Language Transfer is much better, IMO). The French I was attempting to assess was missing a lot of this. The author appeared to have words but be missing a lot of grammar, conjugation and common word order information. Duolingo does not really convey these building blocks, and that's one of the primary criticisms of the method.
    - 4y ago

ptidhomme 4y ago

Not so bad, but it shows you are sometimes translating english constructs to french words literally. FWIW I've recently used Michel Thomas method to learn a language starting from zero, and found I got comfortable building my own phrases very fast. It's audio only, you just have to respond to questions in the target language before the answer is spoken, almost painless. (this is not an ad, I have no relation to Michel Thomas method). It's not perfect either but I feel it's the best introduction to the mecanisms of a forein language, after which you can start adding up vocabulary.

andrewmcwatters 4y ago
Oui, je ne connais pas beaucoup d'expressions françaises, alors j'essaie de les construire avec des phrases anglaises. Mais ce n'est pas vraiment apprendre une autre langue quand tu faites cela.

anbende 4y ago

You asked if your French was good, so here you go. I have some experience with French standardized testing. I had to pass a B2 (upper intermediate) exam for Canadian immigration and a C1 (lower advanced) exam for my professional license in Quebec. I think this actually highlights a lot of the problems that people have with duolingo. You aren't terrible at French, but you are missing exactly the skills people malign Duolingo for not teaching. There are problems with word order, which looks like a lot of word to word translation or bad Google Translate (e.g., "Est-ce que mon francais bon?" is odd and unnatural). Your present-tense is spotty (e.g., it should be "j'apprends" not "je apprendre"), and your ability to use other tenses correctly appears non-existent (e.g., it should be "j'ai changé" not "j'ai changement" which translates as "I have change"). I don't think you'd pass a B1 exam (lower intermediate) given the above. Maaaybe A2 (upper elementary) for comprehension if your comprehension is better than your production. I suspect you'd have a great deal of difficulty communicating with a native speaker without the help of translation software as well.

andrewmcwatters 4y ago
Yep, I don't think my French even compares to a primary school student. I just haven't been learning long enough, and I speak to no native speakers on a daily basis. I've probably been learning for less than a year. I think A2 is generous, I think I'm still learning at an A1 level. I'm hoping after 2 to 4 years, I'll have a bit more understanding. Thank you for your insights!
bluefirebrand 4y ago
Does the fact thar they have been learning less than a year change your mind at all here? I don't think most people would pass a B1 exam in any language after only a year of learning unless they were extremely motivated and maybe a bit of a language savant. I suspect most Canadian-born anglophones who took French through high school but stopped there would not be able to do better, despite having years of French instruction in classrooms.
- anbende 4y ago
  Change my mind? I hadn't meant to make a value judgement about their progress. How could I not knowing how long they've studied? My comment was about the current level of their French. It's in the elementary range A1-A2, with some problems that look Duolingo-specific around tenses and conjugation. Would a year of classroom instruction produce better results? I think it would produce different results. I think they'd know basic present-tense verb conjugation, especially first-person. I think they might also get the passé composé (main tense used for past actions) and "aller-verb" ("going to" verb) construction for future tense (which wasn't relevant to the post). My main point was about the Duolingo-specific errors. Classroom instruction tries to give grammar and conjugation tools that will allow you to construct French. It does not always do so well or efficiently (Language Transfer is much better, IMO). The French I was attempting to assess was missing a lot of this. The author appeared to have words but be missing a lot of grammar, conjugation and common word order information. Duolingo does not really convey these building blocks, and that's one of the primary criticisms of the method.
  - 4y ago