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> Nutritional yeast is tasty and naturally has b12, and most cereals/grains are fortified with it. Taurine, Carnosine, Creatine, and B12 don't exist in signifi
by least 3y ago
> Nutritional yeast is tasty and naturally has b12, and most cereals/grains are fortified with it.
Taurine, Carnosine, Creatine, and B12 don't exist in significant quantities outside of meat. Nutritional yeast is often supplemented with B12 but the bioavailability of it compared to animal protein is low. You will need to take an actual supplement to get the right amount of B12 your body needs to function optimally.
You'll also probably need to supplement calcium, iron (with kelp-based supplement), omega-3 fatty acids (with algae-based supplement), and Vitamin D because even though many of these are found in plants and even relatively high amounts, their bioavailability is low. Spinach is rich in iron but very little of it can actually be processed by the body.
> This just isn't true, you can get all amino acids from plant-based sources like soybeans, lentils, and peanuts.
The amino acid profile in plant sources do not mirror the needs of human beings. In order to achieve a complete amino acid profile you will need a combination of many protein sources like pea, hemp, soy, brown rice, and quinoa. In order to actually consume it and get what you need you'll likely need to make a mixture of protein powders because you won't consume the right amount just eating plant foods.
- varjag 3y agoB12 absolutely exists in many species of fish, it larger concentrations than in meat.
- least 3y agoFish is meat. But even if it weren't, it's still an animal so it doesn't matter when the discussion is about a vegan who won't eat them, either.
- varjag 3y agoIn the stores fish and meat are different aisles. And the discussion is about carbon footprint, not veganism.
- least 3y agoPlease don't inject yourself into conversations when you do not fully grasp the context. > In the stores fish and meat are different aisles. This does not change the fact that fish is still, in fact, meat. > And the discussion is about carbon footprint, not veganism. Broadly, but not in this context.
- varjag 3y agoFrom the comment upstream: > This isn't universally true - some meat is grown by grazing "free" plant calories. But it is true for grain fed cattle -- for most US industrial meat production. It is quite obvious meat is used here in everyday colloquial sense. Especially when elsewhere in the greater thread people contrast meat with poultry.
- least 3y agoI was responding to someone who was talking about them being vegan. The conversation was about vegan options, which fish isn't one of them. Please just stop, you didn't even have a real point to make in the first place.
- verdverm 3y agoIn my store, the fish is right next to the butcher, in the same aisle... Fishing is the primary source of plastic in the ocean, it has its environmental issues as well. That is before we talk about offshore fish farms, where the fish live in a cage their whole life, get fed subpar inputs, and generally resembles chicken farms. Not to mention that we have over fished the natural ocean to the point that the salmon food chain is in danger of collapse...
- varjag 3y agoSure mate, my whole store has eukaryotes all mixed up.
- lern_too_spel 3y agoOne cup of milk supplies 46% of US RDA of B12. Taurine is found in eggs. Neither are meat. Creatine and carnosine are produced by the body from amino acids.
- least 3y agoYou do realize this is more pedantic than insightful, don't you?
- lern_too_spel 3y agoFrom your comment, a reader would be misled to think that these nutrients cannot be obtained in sufficient quantities outside meat. My post is not meant to be either pedantic or insightful but to correct that misconception.
- least 3y agoIt is being pedantic, but yes, to be more precise, it's animal products. It doesn't really change the conversation about how these aren't really found in food that vegans can eat (without fortification).
- lern_too_spel 3y agoVerdverm's claim was that there are [essential] nutrients that are found only in meat. "Animal products" instead of "meat" is an entirely different claim. I explained how it isn't pedantic but clearing up a misunderstanding, one which you must believe also exists now that you've had to clarify that you weren't supporting verdverm's claim.