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> nutrients [...] only found in meat Nutritional yeast is tasty and naturally has b12, and most cereals/grains are fortified with it. > amino acids [...] only
by eastof 3y ago
> nutrients [...] only found in meat
Nutritional yeast is tasty and naturally has b12, and most cereals/grains are fortified with it.
> amino acids [...] only found in meat
This just isn't true, you can get all amino acids from plant-based sources like soybeans, lentils, and peanuts.
Source: I have been vegan for 5 years and I still have a healthy 6 minute mile, 25 consecutive pullups, V5-V7 range boulder problem climber, etc.
- verdverm 3y agohttps://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants#1.-Vitamin-B12 https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-ge... is just one example Most dietary deficiencies take many decades to play out. Vegans require many artificial supplements to fill the gaps. My questions is mainly, are these sufficient or are natural sources better? I'd recommend checking out this Huberman podcast for a set of protocols for assessing your strength, endurance, and more. https://youtu.be/CyDLbrZK75U https://youtu.be/CyDLbrZK75U tl;dr if you focus on one type of athletic ability, you are not optimizing correctly. For example, endurance athletes will have issues with bones and balance loss reactions later in life
- timeon 3y agoHuman is also animal. Other animals also do not produce B12. They have it either from bacteria or in case of modern farming: supplements.
- least 3y ago> Nutritional yeast is tasty and naturally has b12, and most cereals/grains are fortified with it. Taurine, Carnosine, Creatine, and B12 don't exist in significant quantities outside of meat. Nutritional yeast is often supplemented with B12 but the bioavailability of it compared to animal protein is low. You will need to take an actual supplement to get the right amount of B12 your body needs to function optimally. You'll also probably need to supplement calcium, iron (with kelp-based supplement), omega-3 fatty acids (with algae-based supplement), and Vitamin D because even though many of these are found in plants and even relatively high amounts, their bioavailability is low. Spinach is rich in iron but very little of it can actually be processed by the body. > This just isn't true, you can get all amino acids from plant-based sources like soybeans, lentils, and peanuts. The amino acid profile in plant sources do not mirror the needs of human beings. In order to achieve a complete amino acid profile you will need a combination of many protein sources like pea, hemp, soy, brown rice, and quinoa. In order to actually consume it and get what you need you'll likely need to make a mixture of protein powders because you won't consume the right amount just eating plant foods.
- varjag 3y agoB12 absolutely exists in many species of fish, it larger concentrations than in meat.
- least 3y agoFish is meat. But even if it weren't, it's still an animal so it doesn't matter when the discussion is about a vegan who won't eat them, either.
- varjag 3y agoIn the stores fish and meat are different aisles. And the discussion is about carbon footprint, not veganism.
- least 3y agoPlease don't inject yourself into conversations when you do not fully grasp the context. > In the stores fish and meat are different aisles. This does not change the fact that fish is still, in fact, meat. > And the discussion is about carbon footprint, not veganism. Broadly, but not in this context.
- varjag 3y agoFrom the comment upstream: > This isn't universally true - some meat is grown by grazing "free" plant calories. But it is true for grain fed cattle -- for most US industrial meat production. It is quite obvious meat is used here in everyday colloquial sense. Especially when elsewhere in the greater thread people contrast meat with poultry.
- least 3y agoI was responding to someone who was talking about them being vegan. The conversation was about vegan options, which fish isn't one of them. Please just stop, you didn't even have a real point to make in the first place.
- alex_lav 3y ago> Source: I have been vegan for 5 years and I still have a healthy 6 minute mile, 25 consecutive pullups, V5-V7 range boulder problem climber, etc. Is "I'm athletic right now" really a legitimate argument to "veganism at a large scale could have unintended health consequences"?
- Thiez 3y agoHundreds of millions of Asians are vegetarian or vegan. It's not like these diets were invented yesterday.
- alex_lav 3y agoIf this is your assertion, I'd love to see some data around both the total amount of vegans/vegetarians and studies assessing their overall health.
- lern_too_spel 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country shows that 19% of Asians are vegetarian, meaning hundreds of millions. Multiple studies show vegetarians live longer, but they are correlational.
- alex_lav 3y agoRight. I'm not asking about studies about people that may or may not have chose veganism/vegetarianism at a certain point, but about large groups that exist that way for significant periods of time. People that seek out a certain diet are going to show better quality of life than people that don't, regardless if it's veganism or not.
- throwaway09223 3y agoApproximately 40% of India is vegetarian for religious reasons and have been for an extremely long time - several thousand years. I noticed that while everyone here is discussing vegetarianism, you are discussing veganism -- which is different.