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> How exactly do you propose to heat the average person's home when all fossil fuels are no longer available Atom & renewable sources. 256x256 km of solar pane

by myshpa 4y ago

> How exactly do you propose to heat the average person's home when all fossil fuels are no longer available Atom & renewable sources. 256x256 km of solar panels is enough for whole world. > And any derivative products of fossil fuels such as plastics You mean trash (99% of plastics produced)? Stop producing it. > fertilizers Use regenerative agriculture. Agriculture can perfectly well function without fossil fuel inputs. > tractors and other machinery Electric tractors. Should have been here decades ago. > your idea of human fluorishing is where a massive perecentage of human labor is doing farm work again like in the 19th century Maybe we shouldn't insist on 70+ % of workers working bullshit jobs, and let instead few of them work in agriculture instead. Many would like it, if they could support themselves with it. It's only because of the exploitation of the soil, natural resources and humans, that current agricultural practices prevail. If it would mean that our food production would not be dependent on use of poisons, i think that would be good thing for everybody. > fluorishing Humour?

josephcsible 4y ago
> Atom & renewable sources. 256x256 km of solar panels is enough for whole world. > Electric tractors. Should have been here decades ago. Those sound like great ideas. How about we roll them out first, and only stop using fossil fuels once they're able to totally replace them with no downside, instead of giving up heat and tractors indefinitely in the meantime?
- myshpa 4y ago
  So ... business as usual? We have to decide to stop using the bad stuff first, set the deadlines, or new stuff will never materialize. Have you noticed how Tesla started electric cars, everybody laughed, and now they're the only way forward? It will be the same with this ... sooner or later. And the change of focus will bring innovation we can't even imagine now.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    > Have you noticed how Tesla started electric cars, everybody laughed, and now they're the only way forward? But Tesla was super successful even though ICE cars still aren't banned.
    - myshpa 4y ago
      But they're being phased out.
      - josephcsible 4y ago
        Did any ICE phaseouts start to happen prior to Tesla starting to deliver EVs that were just as good, though?
        myshpa 4y ago
        >> Atom & renewable sources. 256x256 km of solar panels is enough for whole world. >> Electric tractors. Should have been here decades ago. > Those sound like great ideas. How about we roll them out first, > and only stop using fossil fuels once they're able to totally > replace them with no downside All these things are already here. Nuclear power is nothing new, renewable methods of generating energy are growing fast, and electric tractors are already on the market. How expensive they are and how fast they are common does not depend only on the market, but also on the policies we have. There are subsidies and policies in place to protect the status quo. Without demolishing the existing barriers of entry no progres can be made. If we accept "cheap" energy from coal plans as standard, and wait for new miraculous technology to compete with subsidized coal energy on price, without any support, it simply won't (and didn't) happen. But say you'll phase out coal plans, and almost miraculously the effort materializes and is redirected to new areas and new solutions are found. Wait for it to happen on it's own, and only thing you'll get is cancer from the soot and scorched earth.

by myshpa 4y ago

josephcsible 4y ago

> Atom & renewable sources. 256x256 km of solar panels is enough for whole world. > Electric tractors. Should have been here decades ago. Those sound like great ideas. How about we roll them out first, and only stop using fossil fuels once they're able to totally replace them with no downside, instead of giving up heat and tractors indefinitely in the meantime?

myshpa 4y ago
So ... business as usual? We have to decide to stop using the bad stuff first, set the deadlines, or new stuff will never materialize. Have you noticed how Tesla started electric cars, everybody laughed, and now they're the only way forward? It will be the same with this ... sooner or later. And the change of focus will bring innovation we can't even imagine now.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > Have you noticed how Tesla started electric cars, everybody laughed, and now they're the only way forward? But Tesla was super successful even though ICE cars still aren't banned.
  - myshpa 4y ago
    But they're being phased out.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      Did any ICE phaseouts start to happen prior to Tesla starting to deliver EVs that were just as good, though?
      - myshpa 4y ago
        >> Atom & renewable sources. 256x256 km of solar panels is enough for whole world. >> Electric tractors. Should have been here decades ago. > Those sound like great ideas. How about we roll them out first, > and only stop using fossil fuels once they're able to totally > replace them with no downside All these things are already here. Nuclear power is nothing new, renewable methods of generating energy are growing fast, and electric tractors are already on the market. How expensive they are and how fast they are common does not depend only on the market, but also on the policies we have. There are subsidies and policies in place to protect the status quo. Without demolishing the existing barriers of entry no progres can be made. If we accept "cheap" energy from coal plans as standard, and wait for new miraculous technology to compete with subsidized coal energy on price, without any support, it simply won't (and didn't) happen. But say you'll phase out coal plans, and almost miraculously the effort materializes and is redirected to new areas and new solutions are found. Wait for it to happen on it's own, and only thing you'll get is cancer from the soot and scorched earth.