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We've already jumped to assuming the birds are annoyed? What if it's more like using an old telephone or a black-and-white TV? A hindrance, but better than wha

We've already jumped to assuming the birds are annoyed? What if it's more like using an old telephone or a black-and-white TV? A hindrance, but better than what came before?

eimrine 4y ago
> We've already jumped to assuming the birds are annoyed? If our displays flicker to them, which is a highly probable, it is annoyance by any definition. It may be not annoying to spiders which have a tiny brain and live in a world of mechanical sense, but birds are smart and most of their brain is shaped for visual data. > A hindrance, but better than what came before? How can this statement be applied to birds? They neither expect nor desire all these technology and the only reason they are not scared of it is a professionalism of their caretakers.
- teapot7 4y ago
  > If our displays flicker to them, which is a highly probable, it is annoyance by any definition. Well, an annoyance by your definition. Not sure how you managed to declare it universal.
  - eimrine 4y ago
    If you name me at least one source of flickering available to parrots in the wild, I consider my assumption wrong. You sound like a superoptimist advising to drive a screw with a hammer. And you know the superoptimist is not totally wrong because it is really possible in some circumstances.
    - thfuran 4y ago
      So your working definition of annoyance is "that which cannot be found in the natural world"?
      - eimrine 4y ago
        That oscillation which can not be found in the natural world. Especially if it is not possible to escape from this oscillation (caretaker want the parrot to interact with the display). Especially if it is in the animal's favorite kind of sense (mechanical oscillation of a spiderweb is a working way to annoy the owning it spider).
        thfuran 4y ago
        Most people rather like music.
- krisoft 4y ago
  > nor desire all these technology Are you sure? Parrots are highly social creatures. Very possible that they do desire if not the technology, but the connection it gives them. > the only reason they are not scared of it is a professionalism of their caretakers Maybe. Maybe not. You have way too much confidence for something we do not know enough about.

We've already jumped to assuming the birds are annoyed? What if it's more like using an old telephone or a black-and-white TV? A hindrance, but better than what came before?

eimrine 4y ago

> We've already jumped to assuming the birds are annoyed? If our displays flicker to them, which is a highly probable, it is annoyance by any definition. It may be not annoying to spiders which have a tiny brain and live in a world of mechanical sense, but birds are smart and most of their brain is shaped for visual data. > A hindrance, but better than what came before? How can this statement be applied to birds? They neither expect nor desire all these technology and the only reason they are not scared of it is a professionalism of their caretakers.

teapot7 4y ago
> If our displays flicker to them, which is a highly probable, it is annoyance by any definition. Well, an annoyance by your definition. Not sure how you managed to declare it universal.
- eimrine 4y ago
  If you name me at least one source of flickering available to parrots in the wild, I consider my assumption wrong. You sound like a superoptimist advising to drive a screw with a hammer. And you know the superoptimist is not totally wrong because it is really possible in some circumstances.
  - thfuran 4y ago
    So your working definition of annoyance is "that which cannot be found in the natural world"?
    - eimrine 4y ago
      That oscillation which can not be found in the natural world. Especially if it is not possible to escape from this oscillation (caretaker want the parrot to interact with the display). Especially if it is in the animal's favorite kind of sense (mechanical oscillation of a spiderweb is a working way to annoy the owning it spider).
      - thfuran 4y ago
        Most people rather like music.
krisoft 4y ago
> nor desire all these technology Are you sure? Parrots are highly social creatures. Very possible that they do desire if not the technology, but the connection it gives them. > the only reason they are not scared of it is a professionalism of their caretakers Maybe. Maybe not. You have way too much confidence for something we do not know enough about.