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> You anti-work guys are again showing your ignorance. Do you have an actual argument, or do you just plan on name-calling until people shut up and fall in lin

> You anti-work guys are again showing your ignorance. Do you have an actual argument, or do you just plan on name-calling until people shut up and fall in line? > A large chunk of techie compensation is in stock. Oh ok, I guess they can fire Sundar Pichai/Mark Zuckerberg when he underperforms, then? What? They don't own enough stocks to do that? There you go. That's your problem.

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chaostheory 3y ago
> Do you have an actual argument, or do you just plan on name-calling until people shut up and fall in line? It’s literally the 2nd sentence. An ignorant person is someone who is lacking in knowledge. It’s pretty accurate in this case > Oh ok, I guess they can fire Sundar Pichai/Mark Zuckerberg when he underperforms, then? What? They don't own enough stocks to do that? What are you even trying to say?
- polygamous_bat 3y ago
  > What are you even trying to say? Shares generally give you two benefits, one is a share of the up/downsides, and another is a right of governance in the company. The way employee share distributions are done right now means employees get a tiny fraction of the first and none of the second, even though they are a large stakeholder in the company's future.
  - chaostheory 3y ago
    This is a moot point if you understand how capitalism works and the goal of corporate executives: ensuring maximum value for shareholders. As I’ve mentioned before, Google employees own a large amount of stock compare to the average person. Consequently, they will benefit no matter what
    - polygamous_bat 3y ago
      > This is a moot point if you understand how capitalism works and the goal of corporate executives: ensuring maximum value for shareholders. Yes, and the goal of communism is to "share the resources and maximize everybody's potential", wonderful if you are incredibly naive and believe that these systems always do exactly what it says on the sticker, and just an empty platitude if you've lived at least two days in the real world. Here's an example [1] of pro capitalists fucking over 49% of the shareholders to favor 51% of them, and you can find plenty more examples of you look through recent financial news. So tell me once again how being a 1e-7th shareholder of a trillion dollar tech company is guaranteed to "benefit you no matter what"? [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-11-02/mergers-aren-t-always-fair https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-11-02/merger...
      - chaostheory 3y ago
        Fair point (this is the best counterargument in this thread so far), but do you have actual evidence of Google c level executives fucking over employee owned shares?

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chaostheory 3y ago

> Do you have an actual argument, or do you just plan on name-calling until people shut up and fall in line? It’s literally the 2nd sentence. An ignorant person is someone who is lacking in knowledge. It’s pretty accurate in this case > Oh ok, I guess they can fire Sundar Pichai/Mark Zuckerberg when he underperforms, then? What? They don't own enough stocks to do that? What are you even trying to say?

polygamous_bat 3y ago
> What are you even trying to say? Shares generally give you two benefits, one is a share of the up/downsides, and another is a right of governance in the company. The way employee share distributions are done right now means employees get a tiny fraction of the first and none of the second, even though they are a large stakeholder in the company's future.
- chaostheory 3y ago
  This is a moot point if you understand how capitalism works and the goal of corporate executives: ensuring maximum value for shareholders. As I’ve mentioned before, Google employees own a large amount of stock compare to the average person. Consequently, they will benefit no matter what
  - polygamous_bat 3y ago
    > This is a moot point if you understand how capitalism works and the goal of corporate executives: ensuring maximum value for shareholders. Yes, and the goal of communism is to "share the resources and maximize everybody's potential", wonderful if you are incredibly naive and believe that these systems always do exactly what it says on the sticker, and just an empty platitude if you've lived at least two days in the real world. Here's an example [1] of pro capitalists fucking over 49% of the shareholders to favor 51% of them, and you can find plenty more examples of you look through recent financial news. So tell me once again how being a 1e-7th shareholder of a trillion dollar tech company is guaranteed to "benefit you no matter what"? [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-11-02/mergers-aren-t-always-fair https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-11-02/merger...
    - chaostheory 3y ago
      Fair point (this is the best counterargument in this thread so far), but do you have actual evidence of Google c level executives fucking over employee owned shares?