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I remember being a "good google querier" before autocomplete rendered that mostly irrelevant. While i think you're right to some degree, you still have to artic

I remember being a "good google querier" before autocomplete rendered that mostly irrelevant. While i think you're right to some degree, you still have to articulate exactly what you want and need from this machine, and no amount of the LLM guessing what the intent was will ever replace specifically and explicitly stating your needs and goals. I see a continuing relationship with the complexity of the task tied to the required complexity of the request.

UltimateEdge 3y ago
Being able to compose a good query is still relevant I think! My peer once asked me for help with a mathematical problem, for which they could not find help online - after not much searching I could find a relevant page, given the same information/problem statement.
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ethbr0 3y ago
Not just auto-complete, but Google removing power search capabilities (quotes, plus, etc). Here's hoping LLMs-as-a-service don't fall into the same trap. It's fine to optimize for the 80% of your users who write badly, but for god's sake keep a bail-out for power users who want more control. You don't have to make it the default... but just don't remove it!
- wnevets 3y ago
  > Not just auto-complete, but Google removing power search capabilities (quotes, plus, etc). when did that happen? I still use them.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    They still "work" in a sense but it soft ignores them and will also guess at what else you might mean, polluting your results. Some things like site: still work as expected. Been this way for years now.
    - wnevets 3y ago
      > They still "work" in a sense but it soft ignores them and will also guess at what else you might mean, polluting your results Doesn't it usually ask the user if they want to Search instead for "X" and then gives you the results? Its annoying when google thinks it knows best when I use " but it seems to work as it ever has after clicking the Search instead link
james-revisoai 3y ago
Google autocomplete using your query history also reduces the information you learn from suggestions as you do the searching... While in the past "indexDB.set undefined in " might autocomplete to show safari first, indicating a vendor-specific bug, it'll often now prefill with some noun from whatever you last searched (e.g. "main window") to "help" you. Haven't found a way to disable that, annoying for understanding bugs, situations/context and root causes.
richardw 3y ago
I can imagine the response including questions. Eg “do you mean X or Y, here are the implications”. That way the machine gets better at helping us clarify our thinking. Right now it’s just blurting out a response that fits your instruction with no attempt to clarify.
freehorse 3y ago
And still _a lot of people_ cannot effectively use search engines. It is less about technical capabilities of the search engine, and more about (trained) skills related to finding and filtering information.

UltimateEdge 3y ago

Being able to compose a good query is still relevant I think! My peer once asked me for help with a mathematical problem, for which they could not find help online - after not much searching I could find a relevant page, given the same information/problem statement.

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ethbr0 3y ago

Not just auto-complete, but Google removing power search capabilities (quotes, plus, etc). Here's hoping LLMs-as-a-service don't fall into the same trap. It's fine to optimize for the 80% of your users who write badly, but for god's sake keep a bail-out for power users who want more control. You don't have to make it the default... but just don't remove it!

wnevets 3y ago
> Not just auto-complete, but Google removing power search capabilities (quotes, plus, etc). when did that happen? I still use them.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  They still "work" in a sense but it soft ignores them and will also guess at what else you might mean, polluting your results. Some things like site: still work as expected. Been this way for years now.
  - wnevets 3y ago
    > They still "work" in a sense but it soft ignores them and will also guess at what else you might mean, polluting your results Doesn't it usually ask the user if they want to Search instead for "X" and then gives you the results? Its annoying when google thinks it knows best when I use " but it seems to work as it ever has after clicking the Search instead link

james-revisoai 3y ago

Google autocomplete using your query history also reduces the information you learn from suggestions as you do the searching... While in the past "indexDB.set undefined in " might autocomplete to show safari first, indicating a vendor-specific bug, it'll often now prefill with some noun from whatever you last searched (e.g. "main window") to "help" you. Haven't found a way to disable that, annoying for understanding bugs, situations/context and root causes.

richardw 3y ago

I can imagine the response including questions. Eg “do you mean X or Y, here are the implications”. That way the machine gets better at helping us clarify our thinking. Right now it’s just blurting out a response that fits your instruction with no attempt to clarify.

freehorse 3y ago

And still _a lot of people_ cannot effectively use search engines. It is less about technical capabilities of the search engine, and more about (trained) skills related to finding and filtering information.