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I agree you can’t stop it entirely. But when you catch someone doing it, you seize the property and then stick them in a jail cell for 20 years. You break the l

by rcarr 3y ago

I agree you can’t stop it entirely. But when you catch someone doing it, you seize the property and then stick them in a jail cell for 20 years. You break the law, you face the consequences.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> when you catch someone doing it, you seize the property and then stick them in a jail cell for 20 years Every country with these rules does this. What happens is the political opposition winds up in jail and then people riot and burn things. Also, when the stakes are that high, law enforcement loses fidelity.
- rcarr 3y ago
  To be quite frank mate, if that’s what needs to happen to make housing affordable again then that’s what needs to happen. If it wasn’t for bloodshed and civil war, black people in America would still be slaves and France would still be run by tyrannical monarchs. I think it should obviously be the absolute last resort, but if the ruling classes are determined to send their countries back into feudalism for their own gain rather than share the country with a fair housing system, then maybe that’s what should happen. People aren’t asking for mansions here, they’re asking for a simple roof over their head without having to pay over 50% of their salary in rent. There’s not much difference in threatening homelessness and having a gun to one’s head. Access to shelter is a fundamental necessity of life and it’s got to be one of the only things in life worth fighting for. And a bully will take everything they can get unless you stand up to them and fight back.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > if that’s what needs to happen to make housing affordable again then that’s what needs to happen That’s what I’m arguing against. It isn’t necessary. There are better ways than classic affordable housing. (Your other suggestions, for example.) It’s a broken policy model that one would sooner inject into a workable framework in an effort to tank it than seriously pursue. Exponential property taxes, vacancy taxes, zoning limits–these work, and don’t require a discretionary bureaucracy. Price regulation through affordable-housing mandates do not.
    - rcarr 3y ago
      Well I hope you’re right and they get implemented. Unfortunately I think we‘re going to see riots if not civil wars all across the globe in a couple of decades.

by rcarr 3y ago

I agree you can’t stop it entirely. But when you catch someone doing it, you seize the property and then stick them in a jail cell for 20 years. You break the law, you face the consequences.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> when you catch someone doing it, you seize the property and then stick them in a jail cell for 20 years Every country with these rules does this. What happens is the political opposition winds up in jail and then people riot and burn things. Also, when the stakes are that high, law enforcement loses fidelity.

rcarr 3y ago
To be quite frank mate, if that’s what needs to happen to make housing affordable again then that’s what needs to happen. If it wasn’t for bloodshed and civil war, black people in America would still be slaves and France would still be run by tyrannical monarchs. I think it should obviously be the absolute last resort, but if the ruling classes are determined to send their countries back into feudalism for their own gain rather than share the country with a fair housing system, then maybe that’s what should happen. People aren’t asking for mansions here, they’re asking for a simple roof over their head without having to pay over 50% of their salary in rent. There’s not much difference in threatening homelessness and having a gun to one’s head. Access to shelter is a fundamental necessity of life and it’s got to be one of the only things in life worth fighting for. And a bully will take everything they can get unless you stand up to them and fight back.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > if that’s what needs to happen to make housing affordable again then that’s what needs to happen That’s what I’m arguing against. It isn’t necessary. There are better ways than classic affordable housing. (Your other suggestions, for example.) It’s a broken policy model that one would sooner inject into a workable framework in an effort to tank it than seriously pursue. Exponential property taxes, vacancy taxes, zoning limits–these work, and don’t require a discretionary bureaucracy. Price regulation through affordable-housing mandates do not.
  - rcarr 3y ago
    Well I hope you’re right and they get implemented. Unfortunately I think we‘re going to see riots if not civil wars all across the globe in a couple of decades.