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> Wealth redistribution and getting money out of politics. I guess not everybody understands this concept? Those are so vague as to be meaningless, and so swe

> Wealth redistribution and getting money out of politics. I guess not everybody understands this concept? Those are so vague as to be meaningless, and so sweeping as to be quixotic. Protests always fail when there is not a clear and attainable path to success. This is something successful movements understand, and unsuccessful ones don't.

pydry 4y ago
Inequality is objectively measurable with a single number. They want that number to be pushed down. Are you under the impression that this is a complicated demand?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Inequality is objectively measurable with a single number No, it isn’t. Let’s start with scoping. Everyone in America is immeasurably better off than the median in some countries. Clearly not what anyone in Zuccotti Park meant. > Are you under the impression that this is a complicated demand? Are you under the impression it’s not? It would push down inequality to remove student loan and public transport subsidies in cities and cut cheques to the poorest rural Americans. That’s obviously not what was wanted by those protesters.
  - pydry 4y ago
    >Everyone in America is immeasurably better off than the median in some countries. 1. This is not a logical argument - it is a red herring combined with whataboutism (forget American gini! whatabout global gini?!). 2. If you take into account that they have to pay rent in America, go to college in America and pay for medical care in America the median American may live in the richest country in the world but that doesn't make them the richest median citizens. Not even close. >Are you under the impression it’s not? Of course. I'm not the one playing dumb for political effect here. >It would push down inequality ... to cut cheques to the poorest rural Americans. That’s obviously not what was wanted by those protesters. No, it is. And the US establishment violently crushed the protest precisely because this is the furthest thing from their preferred outcome. I'm guessing you approved?
- listenallyall 4y ago
  Of course it is. There are numerous strategies to achieve that goal, and each of the strategies themselves are overwhelmingly complicated (to the extent that you'd potentially be criminalizing or destroying capitalism) to execute. Make specific, actionable demands, or you might as well save everybody a lot of wasted time, energy and effort.

pydry 4y ago

Inequality is objectively measurable with a single number. They want that number to be pushed down. Are you under the impression that this is a complicated demand?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Inequality is objectively measurable with a single number No, it isn’t. Let’s start with scoping. Everyone in America is immeasurably better off than the median in some countries. Clearly not what anyone in Zuccotti Park meant. > Are you under the impression that this is a complicated demand? Are you under the impression it’s not? It would push down inequality to remove student loan and public transport subsidies in cities and cut cheques to the poorest rural Americans. That’s obviously not what was wanted by those protesters.
- pydry 4y ago
  >Everyone in America is immeasurably better off than the median in some countries. 1. This is not a logical argument - it is a red herring combined with whataboutism (forget American gini! whatabout global gini?!). 2. If you take into account that they have to pay rent in America, go to college in America and pay for medical care in America the median American may live in the richest country in the world but that doesn't make them the richest median citizens. Not even close. >Are you under the impression it’s not? Of course. I'm not the one playing dumb for political effect here. >It would push down inequality ... to cut cheques to the poorest rural Americans. That’s obviously not what was wanted by those protesters. No, it is. And the US establishment violently crushed the protest precisely because this is the furthest thing from their preferred outcome. I'm guessing you approved?
listenallyall 4y ago
Of course it is. There are numerous strategies to achieve that goal, and each of the strategies themselves are overwhelmingly complicated (to the extent that you'd potentially be criminalizing or destroying capitalism) to execute. Make specific, actionable demands, or you might as well save everybody a lot of wasted time, energy and effort.