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But it’s true, it is a form of social collaboration. It’s based on a vast training dataset consisting entirely of things humans have written. It’s tuned via rei

But it’s true, it is a form of social collaboration. It’s based on a vast training dataset consisting entirely of things humans have written. It’s tuned via reinforcement learning via hiring thousands of people, many of whom are paid poverty wages. And it is further refined by the daily training it gets from its hundred million human users. The core of the article is in the title. The tech is artificial but it’s not intelligent. I don’t think that’s a novel or interesting take either. But it’s true, and the fact you’ve conversed with a chatbot doesn’t change that fact. We know how these things work, it’s not an ineffable mystery. Without the social collaboration - the distillation of vast amounts of human-generated text into statistics - there’s no “there” there.

aldarisbm 4y ago
and computers are fancy calculators, let’s be careful to not fall into reductionist views. we know the architecture but we don’t know what happens in the black box.
- notjoemama 4y ago
  Well, and let's not treat it like dancing bear either. I've been following AI/ML for years so I'm not blown away like so many other people. I know enough I'm also not mystified by the current popular form. Which is to say there have been previous. LLMs are not AGI but still "a form of AI". Unfortunately AI has become a buzzword, actually it has been for years. While many are just coming to the party I feel a sense of relief that this area of research has been able to produce a functional product for the public. And while I'm still excited for the moment we identify personhood, I fully expect pushback from somewhere to deny its existence. The wealthy have fought to automated labor and they will not give up their slaves easily.
  - beezlewax 4y ago
    This is the problem right here AI as a definition is now fairly meaningless. Are they self aware ... no and they're not designed to be. Can they do intelligent things?... well yes when they're trained to with huge amounts of probably flawed data. I use these models everyday to look up answers to coding problems which prior to this required minutes of wading through ad riddled noise.
    - notjoemama 4y ago
      I didn't think stackoverflow was that bad. Ba dum tiss. :)
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jackmott42 4y ago
A new artificial (or otherwise) intelligence would also be a new form of social collaboration. And we shouldn't really insist that "its not intelligent" is true, when the semantics of intelligence is so loaded/vauge/unclear. Maybe it isn't intelligent, but just because it is "statistics" doesn't imply that. Everything that can be thought can be thought with just NAND gates, Our brain is just atoms bouncing around.

aldarisbm 4y ago

and computers are fancy calculators, let’s be careful to not fall into reductionist views. we know the architecture but we don’t know what happens in the black box.

notjoemama 4y ago
Well, and let's not treat it like dancing bear either. I've been following AI/ML for years so I'm not blown away like so many other people. I know enough I'm also not mystified by the current popular form. Which is to say there have been previous. LLMs are not AGI but still "a form of AI". Unfortunately AI has become a buzzword, actually it has been for years. While many are just coming to the party I feel a sense of relief that this area of research has been able to produce a functional product for the public. And while I'm still excited for the moment we identify personhood, I fully expect pushback from somewhere to deny its existence. The wealthy have fought to automated labor and they will not give up their slaves easily.
- beezlewax 4y ago
  This is the problem right here AI as a definition is now fairly meaningless. Are they self aware ... no and they're not designed to be. Can they do intelligent things?... well yes when they're trained to with huge amounts of probably flawed data. I use these models everyday to look up answers to coding problems which prior to this required minutes of wading through ad riddled noise.
  - notjoemama 4y ago
    I didn't think stackoverflow was that bad. Ba dum tiss. :)
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jackmott42 4y ago

A new artificial (or otherwise) intelligence would also be a new form of social collaboration. And we shouldn't really insist that "its not intelligent" is true, when the semantics of intelligence is so loaded/vauge/unclear. Maybe it isn't intelligent, but just because it is "statistics" doesn't imply that. Everything that can be thought can be thought with just NAND gates, Our brain is just atoms bouncing around.