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It’s really funny to read this over and over from so many people. You are saying google can’t match and surpass chatGPT? You know, google the people who invente

It’s really funny to read this over and over from so many people. You are saying google can’t match and surpass chatGPT? You know, google the people who invented the model architecture used by ChatGPT… the people who wrote the first ML training frameworks and the subsequent most popular one… the ones who designed hardware accelerators to minimize training and inference… the people with enough excess compute to probably train a model with even more parameters? Come on.

fnord77 3y ago
70s: "You are saying GM can't match and surpass Toyota for small cars?" etc. history is littered with the dominant player getting shellacked by an upstart And it usually is for political reasons not technical reasons. Bard is a piece of shit. It's probably being held back so that it doesn't compete internally with google search
justinclift 3y ago
Yet, here we are. ;)
autonomousErwin 3y ago
I've heard this countless times as well and I wonder if the root cause comes from Google's inability to turn its research into practical applications. Case in point, 2017 Google Brain released the "Attention Is All You Need" paper however haven't done anything proactively to deliver it to mass users like OpenAI have done (among others) - perhaps this is the kick that Google needs to remind them that research alone isn't enough, it needs practical applications and the question could be whether Pichai is the right CEO to deliver that
- DSingularity 3y ago
  TBH no I don’t think that’s the case. I think they are actually approaching this space with care. Whether it’s social media, search, or ChatGPT there is an obvious human-race scale impact that I believe google recognizes that the “disrupters” disregard.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    > human-race scale impact that I believe google recognizes Not sure I buy that. They're clearly ignoring the already existing human-race scale negative impact of their do-anything-to-capture-peoples-attention advertising business.
diegof79 3y ago
Disruptions like this happen: Sun the main driver of the Web in the 90s, who partnered with Netscape to create JavaScript, who led the workstation industry with the Spark microprocessors, and created Java (at that time a lot of people thought that Java was the future platform to build software, including Steve Jobs)… doesn’t exists anymore. Execution is more important than being the first. MS and OpenAI did an excellent move, and now Google needs catch up. It doesn’t matter if they invented the model architecture used by ChatGPT, they are not the ones capitalizing it.
nirav72 3y ago
Google may indeed have the research knowledge that surpasses everyone one in the industry - but they have very little to show in terms of using that knowledge to build actual products. For example - Google home, which does a far better job at voice recognition and understanding context than Amazon’s Alexa. Yet, GH still lags far behind Amazon.
joquarky 3y ago
Read up on Kodak and the history of digital cameras.
nsett_ 3y ago
It's not about ability though, they can do all that and some more. It's about focus, they're so large, they might not focus and react and change quick enough like the smaller players with inferior technology might. This pattern plays out all the time in the tech industry. You think google didn't know how to make a website like facebook? Of course, but they couldn't beat a much smaller weaker opponent even then. Google now is about 8 times larger than Google 2011 and much slower.

fnord77 3y ago

70s: "You are saying GM can't match and surpass Toyota for small cars?" etc. history is littered with the dominant player getting shellacked by an upstart And it usually is for political reasons not technical reasons. Bard is a piece of shit. It's probably being held back so that it doesn't compete internally with google search

justinclift 3y ago

Yet, here we are. ;)

autonomousErwin 3y ago

I've heard this countless times as well and I wonder if the root cause comes from Google's inability to turn its research into practical applications. Case in point, 2017 Google Brain released the "Attention Is All You Need" paper however haven't done anything proactively to deliver it to mass users like OpenAI have done (among others) - perhaps this is the kick that Google needs to remind them that research alone isn't enough, it needs practical applications and the question could be whether Pichai is the right CEO to deliver that

DSingularity 3y ago
TBH no I don’t think that’s the case. I think they are actually approaching this space with care. Whether it’s social media, search, or ChatGPT there is an obvious human-race scale impact that I believe google recognizes that the “disrupters” disregard.
- justinclift 3y ago
  > human-race scale impact that I believe google recognizes Not sure I buy that. They're clearly ignoring the already existing human-race scale negative impact of their do-anything-to-capture-peoples-attention advertising business.

diegof79 3y ago

Disruptions like this happen: Sun the main driver of the Web in the 90s, who partnered with Netscape to create JavaScript, who led the workstation industry with the Spark microprocessors, and created Java (at that time a lot of people thought that Java was the future platform to build software, including Steve Jobs)… doesn’t exists anymore. Execution is more important than being the first. MS and OpenAI did an excellent move, and now Google needs catch up. It doesn’t matter if they invented the model architecture used by ChatGPT, they are not the ones capitalizing it.

nirav72 3y ago

Google may indeed have the research knowledge that surpasses everyone one in the industry - but they have very little to show in terms of using that knowledge to build actual products. For example - Google home, which does a far better job at voice recognition and understanding context than Amazon’s Alexa. Yet, GH still lags far behind Amazon.

joquarky 3y ago

Read up on Kodak and the history of digital cameras.

nsett_ 3y ago

It's not about ability though, they can do all that and some more. It's about focus, they're so large, they might not focus and react and change quick enough like the smaller players with inferior technology might. This pattern plays out all the time in the tech industry. You think google didn't know how to make a website like facebook? Of course, but they couldn't beat a much smaller weaker opponent even then. Google now is about 8 times larger than Google 2011 and much slower.