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Did he make them money?
by s1k3s 3y ago
Did he make them money?
- andrewstuart 3y agoThe only thing he has done is not destroy the Google cash firehose. The advertising cash firehose is perhaps the only thing that matters at Google. But, having been severely caned by ChatGPT and left flat footed on AI i think it’s reasonable to say even that firehose is now at risk.
- expertentipp 3y agoWhy why still query and ask any questions to the ad machine?
- nubinetwork 3y agoOne could argue he's ruined that too because of all the scam ads they push on a daily basis.
- kevviiinn 3y agoI don't see how serving scam ads would impact google, they still get paid to do it
- LadyCailin 3y agoShort term, sure. But they are not a monopoly.
- hobofan 3y agoMaybe not in legal terms. However a 90% market share in a market where the majority of consumers never evaluates switching to a competitor, gives you so much leeway in execution, that there isn't much difference to a monopoly.
- riceart 3y ago> never evaluates switching to a competitor Again: “short term, sure” Unless you have a convincing case for why “never” evaluating switching will last forever.
- DSingularity 3y agoIt’s really funny to read this over and over from so many people. You are saying google can’t match and surpass chatGPT? You know, google the people who invented the model architecture used by ChatGPT… the people who wrote the first ML training frameworks and the subsequent most popular one… the ones who designed hardware accelerators to minimize training and inference… the people with enough excess compute to probably train a model with even more parameters? Come on.
- fnord77 3y ago70s: "You are saying GM can't match and surpass Toyota for small cars?" etc. history is littered with the dominant player getting shellacked by an upstart And it usually is for political reasons not technical reasons. Bard is a piece of shit. It's probably being held back so that it doesn't compete internally with google search
- justinclift 3y agoYet, here we are. ;)
- autonomousErwin 3y agoI've heard this countless times as well and I wonder if the root cause comes from Google's inability to turn its research into practical applications. Case in point, 2017 Google Brain released the "Attention Is All You Need" paper however haven't done anything proactively to deliver it to mass users like OpenAI have done (among others) - perhaps this is the kick that Google needs to remind them that research alone isn't enough, it needs practical applications and the question could be whether Pichai is the right CEO to deliver that
- DSingularity 3y agoTBH no I don’t think that’s the case. I think they are actually approaching this space with care. Whether it’s social media, search, or ChatGPT there is an obvious human-race scale impact that I believe google recognizes that the “disrupters” disregard.
- 1024core 3y ago> The only thing he has done is not destroy the Google cash firehose. Unfortunately, this recent LLM trend will seriously threaten it. If an LLM can provide the answer, then why would a user click to go to a website? And if there are no clicks to a website, why would the website curate the information? How will they make money? The long-term effects of how LLMs are integrated into Search are still unknown. Of course, MSFT would love to push Google into LLMs, as that hurts their ads business. Also (as I mentioned in an earlier comment) he has been milking that cow a bit too much. The ad load on Google sites has gone through the roof. A fair(er) comparison of his performance would be to see how much revenue Google would make at the same ad load as in 2015. Any idiot can make 5x more revenue in the very short term by showing 20x more ads. That is not rocket science. What _is_ interesting is if you can do it without increasing the ad load. That's where the real magic lies.
- lawn 3y agoGoogle would still be making a ton of money even with a CEO that did nothing. For a $226M compensation, we should be able to demand a bit more don't you think?
- hammyhavoc 3y agoWho is "we" in your comment?
- blthroaway 3y agoProbably he means the collective that has installed themselves to be the vocal judges of all things humanity - mostly for their own benefit.
- osigurdson 3y agoMaybe OP is a shareholder. Most people probably own some google stock via ETFs even if they didn't explicitly buy the stock.
- sysstemlord 3y agoWe the guys discussing whether he has or hasn't done something worth hundreds of millions, you don't have to be so word picky.
- hammyhavoc 3y agoI'm not picky, I asked an honest question. I'd argue that most human beings never do anything worth even a million dollars, let alone hundreds of millions, especially execs.
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- stanwesley 3y ago> we should be able to demand a bit more Are you a major shareholder?