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Same. No-one has yet been able to explain why I should exchange a well-functioning animal-based diet into a vegan one where I need to supplement by default to f

Same. No-one has yet been able to explain why I should exchange a well-functioning animal-based diet into a vegan one where I need to supplement by default to fulfill human needs. I have respect for those who do it on the basis of animal compassion, but claiming healthiness is obviously a false statement.

ben_w 4y ago
Can't speak for you personally, but the average human today has an unhealthy diet since well before the recent popularity surge of vegan-by-choice in the west, so I don't accept "well-functioning animal-based diet" as a general premise even if you personally can make it work.
- waihtis 4y ago
  If you have a bad diet and you remove a significant source of protein and other nutrients from it, how is it a better diet?
  - ben_w 4y ago
    I believe the name for what you're doing there is "begging the question". Vegan diets generally have protein and other nutrients.
    - waihtis 4y ago
      to my original point: > why I should exchange a well-functioning animal-based diet into a vegan one where I need to supplement by default to fulfill human needs applies also in the protein domain, seeing how vegan protein sources lack or have minimal concentrations of some essential amino acids, for instance
      - ben_w 4y ago
        That issue basically only happens if you eat exactly one plant, not if you eat at least two, because different plants miss different amino acids and most protein rich plants have most amino acids and the differences overlap nicely. This is so easy you're probably doing it already even as a meat eater: Mexican chilli with rice? Beans and rice compensate for each other's weaknesses. Peanut butter on bread? Peanuts and wheat cover each other. There are some things that are technically complete by themselves, but mycoprotein (Quorn) which I think is complete, isn't available for purchase everywhere. Conversely if you do single-foodsource-diet with meat, you can also get problems, most famously protein poisoning and scurvy.
Not-the-One 4y ago
https://www.climateofourfuture.org/exploring-the-potential-risks-of-recycled-plastic-in-animal-feed/ https://www.climateofourfuture.org/exploring-the-potential-r... https://www.plasticsoupfoundation.org/en/2022/07/80-of-cow-and-pig-meat-blood-and-milk-contains-plastic/ https://www.plasticsoupfoundation.org/en/2022/07/80-of-cow-a...
roebk 4y ago
Hang on, I think you’re muddying the waters here. A vegan diet is purely done for animal compassion. A vegan diet, a plant-based diet and even whole food plant-based diet are different diets. Veganism is a lifestyle based around the notion of reducing as much harm to animals a feasibly possible. No one claims that a vegan diet is centred around health. After all, you could be vegan and eat nothing but Oreo’s and Dorito’s.

ben_w 4y ago

Can't speak for you personally, but the average human today has an unhealthy diet since well before the recent popularity surge of vegan-by-choice in the west, so I don't accept "well-functioning animal-based diet" as a general premise even if you personally can make it work.

waihtis 4y ago
If you have a bad diet and you remove a significant source of protein and other nutrients from it, how is it a better diet?
- ben_w 4y ago
  I believe the name for what you're doing there is "begging the question". Vegan diets generally have protein and other nutrients.
  - waihtis 4y ago
    to my original point: > why I should exchange a well-functioning animal-based diet into a vegan one where I need to supplement by default to fulfill human needs applies also in the protein domain, seeing how vegan protein sources lack or have minimal concentrations of some essential amino acids, for instance
    - ben_w 4y ago
      That issue basically only happens if you eat exactly one plant, not if you eat at least two, because different plants miss different amino acids and most protein rich plants have most amino acids and the differences overlap nicely. This is so easy you're probably doing it already even as a meat eater: Mexican chilli with rice? Beans and rice compensate for each other's weaknesses. Peanut butter on bread? Peanuts and wheat cover each other. There are some things that are technically complete by themselves, but mycoprotein (Quorn) which I think is complete, isn't available for purchase everywhere. Conversely if you do single-foodsource-diet with meat, you can also get problems, most famously protein poisoning and scurvy.

Not-the-One 4y ago

https://www.climateofourfuture.org/exploring-the-potential-risks-of-recycled-plastic-in-animal-feed/ https://www.climateofourfuture.org/exploring-the-potential-r... https://www.plasticsoupfoundation.org/en/2022/07/80-of-cow-and-pig-meat-blood-and-milk-contains-plastic/ https://www.plasticsoupfoundation.org/en/2022/07/80-of-cow-a...

roebk 4y ago

Hang on, I think you’re muddying the waters here. A vegan diet is purely done for animal compassion. A vegan diet, a plant-based diet and even whole food plant-based diet are different diets. Veganism is a lifestyle based around the notion of reducing as much harm to animals a feasibly possible. No one claims that a vegan diet is centred around health. After all, you could be vegan and eat nothing but Oreo’s and Dorito’s.