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It's funny you are worried about the impact of vegan alternatives and not, say, sugars, alcohol, overly fatty or salty foods, too much bad quality meat raised w
by karmakurtisaani 4y ago
It's funny you are worried about the impact of vegan alternatives and not, say, sugars, alcohol, overly fatty or salty foods, too much bad quality meat raised with hormones etc. It's almost like you have a bias against the vegan alternative..
Edit: ok so I was not terribly constructive with this comment, so happy to elaborate. I'm pretty tired of this argument against vegan meat. The nutritional values of vegan meat are not that bad even in the worst case in relation to everything else that is in the market - it's a non issue at best. What I believe the commenters parroting this line really want to say is that they like meat and need a reason not to eat/support the alternatives.
Arguments against eating meat are orders of magnitude heavier than against vegan meat.
- stavros 4y agoOr maybe it's ok to worry about one bad thing without having to worry about all bad things.
- concordDance 4y agoDon't assume things about people. He is probably also concerned about those things and many other things, like climate change, the Ukrainian War, the Sudanese Civil War, AI... you don't have to mention every little thing you are concerned about in each post.
- jpoesen 4y agoWhataboutism: check.
- Etheryte 4y agoPlease don't bring your nonsense strawman arguments to HN. It's perfectly fine to bring up one angle about something you want to discuss without listing all the other angles every single time, that doesn't downplay them in any way. If you always insist on listing every possible problem associated with every possible discussion point you'll never get anywhere.
- aziaziazi 4y ago> overly fatty or salty food Hard to understand one can promote cheese versus « vegan cheese » for nutritional reasons ! The vegan cheese may contain very few nutriments while the vast majority of our « real » cheeses are absolute disasters.
- ndsipa_pomu 4y agoI don't disagree with what you're saying, but there can be nutritional benefits hiding in certain cheeses. Vitamin K2 can be tricky to find in plant sources - natto being the only one I can think of and it's tricky to find here in the UK. Roquefort has been hailed as the important part of the "French paradox" (French cardiovascular health tends to be much better than their high fat diet would suggest). I do like my fermented foods, with kimchi being my most frequently consumed.
- aziaziazi 4y agoThanks, didn’t know the k2 can be sourced in kimchi ! Totally agree with not throwing the baby with the water. As for most poisons, just a bit has a good effect, think red wine.
- AlecSchueler 4y agoMicrodosing hemlock the next big thing? I thought the benefits of red wine came from stuff like the tannin and could be gotten otherwise from non poisonous sources.
- nibbleshifter 4y ago> bad quality meat raised with hormones Luckily, these are pretty much illegal in all of European Union. Traceability regulations and the regulators being pretty on the ball with checking (even more so since the horsemeat issue years ago) mean we don't get such garbage in our market.
- plantain 4y ago"Undercover footage that appears to show extremely sick cows being smuggled into a Polish slaughterhouse and sold on with little or no veterinary inspection has raised alarm about standards in one of the EU’s largest meat exporters." Are they really that on the ball? Sounds like nothing changed after the horsemeat scandal. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/27/secret-filming-shows-sick-cows-slaughtered-for-meat-in-poland https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/27/secret-f...
- timrichard 4y agoThey have lifted restrictions on feeding animal remains to livestock, in the name of competition. Those restrictions were there for good reason in the wake of the BSE crisis. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/22/eu-to-lift-its-ban-on-feeding-animal-remains-to-domestic-livestock https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/22/eu-to-lift-its...