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There is no structure, OO was an after thought, meta-programming an after thought., unit testing, testing utilities and frameworks an afterthought, their best W

There is no structure, OO was an after thought, meta-programming an after thought., unit testing, testing utilities and frameworks an afterthought, their best Web-framework Laravel is a clone of Rails, No original good ideas in the PHP Community and thats the problem. The reason is PHP is a poor clone of Perl.

KyeRussell 3y ago
I was with you until the end. Originally doesn’t mean shit. Who cares if Laravel is a Rails clone? For the record, I have no idea if it is, let alone if it is beyond the degree that plenty of other things are “Rails clones”. And this is ignoring the fact that Rails had been inspired plenty by other projects throughout its lifetime, as it should. I’m interested in using the right tool for the job, not getting caught up in weird inside baseball attribution wars. IMO, PHP is often not the best tool because it’s a shitty language. If it has a “Rails clone”, that makes it better, not worse.
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- rafark 3y ago
  It is a clone of RoR. Pretty much all open source projects take inspiration from other projects. Ironically, there’s not a single good clone of Laravel (or RoR) in node. Wonder why... (sometimes the language and it’s features do matter apparently (and yes I’m being sarcastic))
jhoelzel 3y ago
Jup jup. "PHP is used by 77.5% of all the websites whose server-side programming language we know." https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php
- sourcecodeplz 3y ago
  That's because of Wordpress, but still.
  - re-thc 3y ago
    Or they can't detect the other languages.
  - jhoelzel 3y ago
    And WordPress is written in PHP and has the biggest ecosystem of any "framework" ever still.
  - 0xy 3y ago
    Facebook and Wikipedia are two large companies which heavily rely upon PHP but use little to no Wordpress.
    - rafark 3y ago
      And pretty much all forums.
postalrat 3y ago
A rails clone without ruby sounds like an improvement.
rafark 3y ago
Are you serious? Jsx was first implemented in php by Facebook. One of the most popular features of modern JavaScript was original designed (and implemented) in php.

KyeRussell 3y ago

I was with you until the end. Originally doesn’t mean shit. Who cares if Laravel is a Rails clone? For the record, I have no idea if it is, let alone if it is beyond the degree that plenty of other things are “Rails clones”. And this is ignoring the fact that Rails had been inspired plenty by other projects throughout its lifetime, as it should. I’m interested in using the right tool for the job, not getting caught up in weird inside baseball attribution wars. IMO, PHP is often not the best tool because it’s a shitty language. If it has a “Rails clone”, that makes it better, not worse.

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rafark 3y ago
It is a clone of RoR. Pretty much all open source projects take inspiration from other projects. Ironically, there’s not a single good clone of Laravel (or RoR) in node. Wonder why... (sometimes the language and it’s features do matter apparently (and yes I’m being sarcastic))

jhoelzel 3y ago

Jup jup. "PHP is used by 77.5% of all the websites whose server-side programming language we know." https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php

sourcecodeplz 3y ago
That's because of Wordpress, but still.
- re-thc 3y ago
  Or they can't detect the other languages.
- jhoelzel 3y ago
  And WordPress is written in PHP and has the biggest ecosystem of any "framework" ever still.
- 0xy 3y ago
  Facebook and Wikipedia are two large companies which heavily rely upon PHP but use little to no Wordpress.
  - rafark 3y ago
    And pretty much all forums.

postalrat 3y ago

A rails clone without ruby sounds like an improvement.

rafark 3y ago

Are you serious? Jsx was first implemented in php by Facebook. One of the most popular features of modern JavaScript was original designed (and implemented) in php.