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That’s hardly an option — which other device has similarly good hardware and that good privacy? The only possibility would be a GrapheneOS-installed pixel, but

by kaba0 4y ago

That’s hardly an option — which other device has similarly good hardware and that good privacy? The only possibility would be a GrapheneOS-installed pixel, but the pixel is nowhere near an iphone in terms of hardware and besides all the unacceptable hardware bugs, google simply doesn’t seem to want to sell it to people. (Most of the EU is not a target for some insane reason). The real solution is government intervention, which will allow sideloading.

dnissley 4y ago
Side loading may mean the 99% of people who don't care about privacy will have their preferences indulged, and if side loading becomes the norm then all of a sudden you'll find yourself being asked by your e.g. government or major airline to side load their app because they're tired of dealing with Apple's app store rules.
- kaba0 4y ago
  That's just baseless fear-mongering -- how many government apps do you have to sideload on Android? Apple doesn't have to make it accessible to grandmas, it can be shoved a few layers deep in settings so that they can never accidentally enable it, so in effect it doesn't cause any problem for that "99% of people", only benefiting the remaining 1%, so everyone can be happy (especially that the percentages are not as extreme, it would benefit much more people)
  - dnissley 4y ago
    Play store rules are much more relaxed than Apple's app store rules though. Also, not fear mongering, just speculating -- I look forward to this happening actually! Will finally be able to get an iphone and use software that isn't kneecapped by Apple's gatekeeping.
- realusername 4y ago
  > you'll find yourself being asked by your e.g. government or major airline to side load their app because they're tired of dealing with Apple's app store rules When you are a government, Apple will sides against you anyways, as seen as in China.
- josephd79 4y ago
  What “government” app do you install?

by kaba0 4y ago

dnissley 4y ago

Side loading may mean the 99% of people who don't care about privacy will have their preferences indulged, and if side loading becomes the norm then all of a sudden you'll find yourself being asked by your e.g. government or major airline to side load their app because they're tired of dealing with Apple's app store rules.

kaba0 4y ago
That's just baseless fear-mongering -- how many government apps do you have to sideload on Android? Apple doesn't have to make it accessible to grandmas, it can be shoved a few layers deep in settings so that they can never accidentally enable it, so in effect it doesn't cause any problem for that "99% of people", only benefiting the remaining 1%, so everyone can be happy (especially that the percentages are not as extreme, it would benefit much more people)
- dnissley 4y ago
  Play store rules are much more relaxed than Apple's app store rules though. Also, not fear mongering, just speculating -- I look forward to this happening actually! Will finally be able to get an iphone and use software that isn't kneecapped by Apple's gatekeeping.
realusername 4y ago
> you'll find yourself being asked by your e.g. government or major airline to side load their app because they're tired of dealing with Apple's app store rules When you are a government, Apple will sides against you anyways, as seen as in China.
josephd79 4y ago
What “government” app do you install?