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I mean, of course there are. I can't name them at this stage, but you'd be naive to not understand that those Dark Pool things are essentially that. Now, are t

by jrm4 4y ago

I mean, of course there are. I can't name them at this stage, but you'd be naive to not understand that those Dark Pool things are essentially that. Now, are there "openly visible ones?"

iudqnolq 4y ago
You do know that the Dark in Dark Pool refers to the trades being secret, not the pools themselves? You can get a (partial) list of dark pool names from Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pool https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pool
- steveBK123 4y ago
  The trades aren't even secret, they just don't publish a bid/ask (quote). The trades go to the same consolidated tape as NYSE/NASDAQ/ARCA/AMEX, etc.
e63f67dd-065b 4y ago
That's not what dark pools are at all, please educate yourself before saying something this inaccurate. > custodian, trading exchange, market maker, and Kyc/Aml Custodians are people who hold on to funds and securities. If a mutual fund buys a share of Apple, they don't hold the share themselves, it's held by a custodian bank like BNY. > trading exchange NYSE/NASDAQ/CBOE/etc are examples of exchanges, where they match up buy orders and sell orders, and nothing more. Dark pools are examples of exchanges, as they are a private place that match up buy/sell orders. > market maker Market makers are, as their name suggests, institutions that exist to make markets. What this often means is that they have the obligation to maintain both buy and sell orders on specific securities they signed up to make markets for at all times. Examples include Jane Street, Citadel, etc. > kyc/aml GP probably mistyped; kyc/aml are regulations that must be followed by financial firms interacting with their customers. Applies to basically everybody here. A few more: Clearinghouses: when you trade a security on an exchange, you mere commit to buying x for $y at $settlement date, typically 2 business days after the trade happens. This settlement happens at a clearinghouse, which guarantees both sides of the trade. The objection from most regulators is that a crypto exchange typically acts as all of the above simultaneously. They are custodians, in that they hold the crypto, they typically make markets, they are obviously an exchange, they provide clearing and settlement services, all at once. Regulators don't like this, since there are conflicts of interest inherent in the roles and they should be separated out into different institutions.
- jrm4 4y ago
  This is why I said ESSENTIALLY. Yes, they are technically visible. But so few people know about them and understand them, I'm comfortable with my characterization.
  - e63f67dd-065b 4y ago
    No? Dark pools are not essentially a combination of market maker, custodian, exchange, etc. Just because they are not widely understood doesn't mean that you're completely wrong that dark pools are things that they're not.
mlrtime 4y ago
There is so much misinformation on hacker news any time a topic is related to traditional finance , crypto or blockchain. Dark Pools (ATS) are very much like exchanges except the quotes are not public. All ATS operators are required to record every trade to the consolidated tape in which everyone in this thread has access to if they want to pay for it.

by jrm4 4y ago

I mean, of course there are. I can't name them at this stage, but you'd be naive to not understand that those Dark Pool things are essentially that. Now, are there "openly visible ones?"

iudqnolq 4y ago

You do know that the Dark in Dark Pool refers to the trades being secret, not the pools themselves? You can get a (partial) list of dark pool names from Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pool https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pool

steveBK123 4y ago
The trades aren't even secret, they just don't publish a bid/ask (quote). The trades go to the same consolidated tape as NYSE/NASDAQ/ARCA/AMEX, etc.

e63f67dd-065b 4y ago

That's not what dark pools are at all, please educate yourself before saying something this inaccurate. > custodian, trading exchange, market maker, and Kyc/Aml Custodians are people who hold on to funds and securities. If a mutual fund buys a share of Apple, they don't hold the share themselves, it's held by a custodian bank like BNY. > trading exchange NYSE/NASDAQ/CBOE/etc are examples of exchanges, where they match up buy orders and sell orders, and nothing more. Dark pools are examples of exchanges, as they are a private place that match up buy/sell orders. > market maker Market makers are, as their name suggests, institutions that exist to make markets. What this often means is that they have the obligation to maintain both buy and sell orders on specific securities they signed up to make markets for at all times. Examples include Jane Street, Citadel, etc. > kyc/aml GP probably mistyped; kyc/aml are regulations that must be followed by financial firms interacting with their customers. Applies to basically everybody here. A few more: Clearinghouses: when you trade a security on an exchange, you mere commit to buying x for $y at $settlement date, typically 2 business days after the trade happens. This settlement happens at a clearinghouse, which guarantees both sides of the trade. The objection from most regulators is that a crypto exchange typically acts as all of the above simultaneously. They are custodians, in that they hold the crypto, they typically make markets, they are obviously an exchange, they provide clearing and settlement services, all at once. Regulators don't like this, since there are conflicts of interest inherent in the roles and they should be separated out into different institutions.

jrm4 4y ago
This is why I said ESSENTIALLY. Yes, they are technically visible. But so few people know about them and understand them, I'm comfortable with my characterization.
- e63f67dd-065b 4y ago
  No? Dark pools are not essentially a combination of market maker, custodian, exchange, etc. Just because they are not widely understood doesn't mean that you're completely wrong that dark pools are things that they're not.

mlrtime 4y ago

There is so much misinformation on hacker news any time a topic is related to traditional finance , crypto or blockchain. Dark Pools (ATS) are very much like exchanges except the quotes are not public. All ATS operators are required to record every trade to the consolidated tape in which everyone in this thread has access to if they want to pay for it.