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People who are starving won't even get asked to be an engineer of record for the kind of project we're talking about. Do you think companies that build bridges
by pdonis 4y ago
People who are starving won't even get asked to be an engineer of record for the kind of project we're talking about. Do you think companies that build bridges go down to the local 7-Eleven and ask for structural engineers willing to sign off on the documents?
- collaborative 4y agoIt's common practice to retain vagabonds that can sign legal papers. Any criminal entrepreneur knows this
- pdonis 4y agoHow many such criminal entrepreneurs build bridges? Or buildings? Or other structures that engineers of record have to sign off on? My estimate is zero. Which makes your comment irrelevant to this discussion.
- collaborative 4y agoThose engineers hire lawyers that retain such vagabonds when needed. You'd be suprised to know how many corrupt lawyers there are If you haven't met any that's ok
- pdonis 4y ago> Those engineers hire lawyers that retain such vagabonds when needed. The person signing the legal documents is the engineer himself, not some "vagabond" retained by a lawyer. Evidently you are not familiar with how signoffs by engineers of record for things like bridges are actually done.
- gostsamo 4y agoA not so uncommon scam where I live is to create a company, do a few big transactions with it, gather debt towards the government in terms of wat taxes and the like, and then "sell" the company to someone extremely poor who becomes liable for the taxes.
- aidenn0 4y agoThe implication was that no credentials would be required if the person signing off on it was held liable, so a company could pick up anyone off the street and have them sign off
- pessimizer 4y agoIf licensing shouldn't matter, just the willingness to sign something, then everyone is a structural engineer. During the housing bubble, they'd just hire temps to sign things: https://www.reuters.com/article/robosigning-plea-idUSL1E8ML0C120121121 https://www.reuters.com/article/robosigning-plea-idUSL1E8ML0...
- pdonis 4y agoIt seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. Willingness to sign a document that imposes strong legal obligations on you, and strong penalties if those obligations are not met, is hardly something everyone will have.
- aidenn0 4y agoMy argument, at least, is that absent licensing, there are plenty of people either desperate, or foolish enough to sign such a document. Not most people, or even a large minority, but enough.
- n4r9 4y agoYour original definition concerned whether one was "willing", not whether one would "get asked".
- pdonis 4y agoI was assuming that readers would apply at least a modicum of intelligence and common sense to what I posted, given the context of the overall discussion. Evidently, at least for some readers, I assumed too much.