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I mean by that level or rigor, Lake Meade is not full. The great salt lake is not even close to full. We have less arctic ice. Sea levels are higher. But as

by RC_ITR 4y ago

I mean by that level or rigor, Lake Meade is not full. The great salt lake is not even close to full. We have less arctic ice. Sea levels are higher. But as you said, this isn’t an argument either of us will win, so agree to disagree?

TechBro8615 4y ago
Just to be clear, Lake Mead is an artificial lake that has always been expected to run out of water. Without human intervention to continuously refill the "lake" (really a reservoir), all of its water would eventually evaporate, even if we were to stop using it as a water source. It's a puddle in the middle of a desert. Its emptiness is not evidence of climate change nor of any trend of changing sea levels.
- rurp 4y ago
  What are you talking about? Lake Mead is fed by one of the largest rivers in the country. It's only dropping because Southwest states pull immense amounts of water out of the resevoir and the upstream river. If those outflows were cut back the lake would last for ages.
  - TechBro8615 4y ago
    No, it only exists because humans built the Hoover Dam. And the point stands that "it's only dropping because states pull immense amounts of water out of the reservoir," i.e. completely unrelated to climate change.
- RC_ITR 4y ago
  > that has always been expected to run out of water. Gonna need a citation there. You understand that it’s part of the Colorado river, which is (pre-global warming) one of the highest flow rivers in the world (it literally carved the Grand Canton).
  - TechBro8615 4y ago
    Its not "part of the colorado river." It's an artificial lake, a reservoir, that has only existed for 87 years, when humans created the hoover dam. Its natural destiny is to evaporate, and it's always been true that it will only exist as long as we keep refilling it by means of artificial water redirection, at a faster rate than we consume water from it and it evaporates. So it makes no sense to claim it's under capacity due to climate change, when the primary factor is increased water usage. It's not some natural geographic feature that's been tapped dry by human activity. It's a puddle we made in the desert.
    - RC_ITR 3y ago
      I’m really sorry to disagree with you so vehemently, but you are flat out wrong. The path of The Colorado pre-Hoover Dam still went through Black Canyon. Stop all human intervention, the River still goes there. Where else is the Rocky snowpack going?
labster 4y ago
I don’t disagree with you. You asked for things those people said 40 years ago and I gave them to you. You can’t make any inroads on convincing people if you don’t understand their arguments, so I try to do so. Having studied climatology in university I have heard dumb arguments galore, and not from anyone in my field.

by RC_ITR 4y ago

TechBro8615 4y ago

Just to be clear, Lake Mead is an artificial lake that has always been expected to run out of water. Without human intervention to continuously refill the "lake" (really a reservoir), all of its water would eventually evaporate, even if we were to stop using it as a water source. It's a puddle in the middle of a desert. Its emptiness is not evidence of climate change nor of any trend of changing sea levels.

rurp 4y ago
What are you talking about? Lake Mead is fed by one of the largest rivers in the country. It's only dropping because Southwest states pull immense amounts of water out of the resevoir and the upstream river. If those outflows were cut back the lake would last for ages.
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  No, it only exists because humans built the Hoover Dam. And the point stands that "it's only dropping because states pull immense amounts of water out of the reservoir," i.e. completely unrelated to climate change.
RC_ITR 4y ago
> that has always been expected to run out of water. Gonna need a citation there. You understand that it’s part of the Colorado river, which is (pre-global warming) one of the highest flow rivers in the world (it literally carved the Grand Canton).
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  Its not "part of the colorado river." It's an artificial lake, a reservoir, that has only existed for 87 years, when humans created the hoover dam. Its natural destiny is to evaporate, and it's always been true that it will only exist as long as we keep refilling it by means of artificial water redirection, at a faster rate than we consume water from it and it evaporates. So it makes no sense to claim it's under capacity due to climate change, when the primary factor is increased water usage. It's not some natural geographic feature that's been tapped dry by human activity. It's a puddle we made in the desert.
  - RC_ITR 3y ago
    I’m really sorry to disagree with you so vehemently, but you are flat out wrong. The path of The Colorado pre-Hoover Dam still went through Black Canyon. Stop all human intervention, the River still goes there. Where else is the Rocky snowpack going?

labster 4y ago

I don’t disagree with you. You asked for things those people said 40 years ago and I gave them to you. You can’t make any inroads on convincing people if you don’t understand their arguments, so I try to do so. Having studied climatology in university I have heard dumb arguments galore, and not from anyone in my field.