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This is simply untrue, especially for Macs.

• Dalewyn 4y ago
  Have you actually used MacOS without perusing Apple's services? It's horrible, because MacOS is designed with the assumption the user has an Apple account. It's not obnoxious like Windows 11's badgering for a Microsoft account, but it manifests in parts of MacOS (namely anything to do with the App Store) flat out refusing to work until an Apple account is provided. I may have to make a throwaway Apple account just so I can do something as mundanely basic as updating the system applications.
  • LeoPanthera 4y ago
    > I may have to make a throwaway Apple account just so I can do something as mundanely basic as updating the system applications. Perhaps you have an odd definition of "system applications", but macOS updates do not require logging into iCloud, or the use of an Apple ID.
    • Dalewyn 4y ago
      System applications as in the programs that come pre-installed with a fresh install of MacOS. Updating MacOS doesn't require an Apple account, but not the pre-installed stuff.
      • LeoPanthera 4y ago
        > System applications as in the programs that come pre-installed with a fresh install of MacOS. This is misleading. All apps included with macOS are updated via Software Update and don't require a login. What I think you're referring to are apps you get free with the purchase of a new Mac. This includes the suites previously referred to as iLife and iWork. These aren't part of macOS, and if you do a clean install they aren't there, but you do get a free copy, via the App Store, with the purchase of a new Mac. The App Store does indeed require a login.