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On the topic of Apple building an uneven playing field that disadvantages third party apps - I want an iPhone but don't want to use Apple's services, so I'm sti

On the topic of Apple building an uneven playing field that disadvantages third party apps - I want an iPhone but don't want to use Apple's services, so I'm sticking with Android for now. It just seems difficult to have an iPhone without suffering from Apple's handicapping of superior third party experiences. This is in contrast to Macs, which are absolutely top-notch pieces of hardware that would like you to use Apple services, but don't shove them down your throat.

coffeebeqn 3y ago
iPhone is worse in that way than macOS . You can pretty much use macOS as a Unix-like
hedora 3y ago
After trying a degoogled android device, I switched back to iOS. If you decide to keep things like location on device and disable ad telemetry on both platforms, you’ll find the third party iOS ecosystem is much stronger. (On Android, this leads to random apps closing at start with NullPointerException when they request unnecessary Google services.) I’d prefer a FOSS phone ecosystem, but sometimes pragmatism wins out.
- ravenstine 3y ago
  I would switch to an iPhone if I could get NewPipe, Firefox, and root-level ad blocking. Those are the killer features that make me keep my degoogled Android phone, despite the horrendous quality of most Android apps.
- kitsunesoba 3y ago
  In my experience the apps bundled with AOSP-based Android distributions aren't all that great either. Technically functional but most people are going to want Google versions instead.
LeoPanthera 3y ago
An iPhone without iCloud is so much better than an Android phone without a Google account.
Dalewyn 3y ago
>I want an iPhone but don't want to use Apple's services If you don't want Apple's services then neither iOS nor MacOS can satisfactorily work for you. Their products are built on the assumption that you will immerse or have immersed yourself completely in their ecosystem, trying to use one on its own is a horrible experience.
- LeoPanthera 3y ago
  This is simply untrue, especially for Macs.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    Have you actually used MacOS without perusing Apple's services? It's horrible, because MacOS is designed with the assumption the user has an Apple account. It's not obnoxious like Windows 11's badgering for a Microsoft account, but it manifests in parts of MacOS (namely anything to do with the App Store) flat out refusing to work until an Apple account is provided. I may have to make a throwaway Apple account just so I can do something as mundanely basic as updating the system applications.
    - LeoPanthera 3y ago
      > I may have to make a throwaway Apple account just so I can do something as mundanely basic as updating the system applications. Perhaps you have an odd definition of "system applications", but macOS updates do not require logging into iCloud, or the use of an Apple ID.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        System applications as in the programs that come pre-installed with a fresh install of MacOS. Updating MacOS doesn't require an Apple account, but not the pre-installed stuff.
        LeoPanthera 3y ago

coffeebeqn 3y ago

iPhone is worse in that way than macOS . You can pretty much use macOS as a Unix-like

hedora 3y ago

After trying a degoogled android device, I switched back to iOS. If you decide to keep things like location on device and disable ad telemetry on both platforms, you’ll find the third party iOS ecosystem is much stronger. (On Android, this leads to random apps closing at start with NullPointerException when they request unnecessary Google services.) I’d prefer a FOSS phone ecosystem, but sometimes pragmatism wins out.

ravenstine 3y ago
I would switch to an iPhone if I could get NewPipe, Firefox, and root-level ad blocking. Those are the killer features that make me keep my degoogled Android phone, despite the horrendous quality of most Android apps.
kitsunesoba 3y ago
In my experience the apps bundled with AOSP-based Android distributions aren't all that great either. Technically functional but most people are going to want Google versions instead.

LeoPanthera 3y ago

An iPhone without iCloud is so much better than an Android phone without a Google account.

Dalewyn 3y ago

>I want an iPhone but don't want to use Apple's services If you don't want Apple's services then neither iOS nor MacOS can satisfactorily work for you. Their products are built on the assumption that you will immerse or have immersed yourself completely in their ecosystem, trying to use one on its own is a horrible experience.

LeoPanthera 3y ago
This is simply untrue, especially for Macs.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  Have you actually used MacOS without perusing Apple's services? It's horrible, because MacOS is designed with the assumption the user has an Apple account. It's not obnoxious like Windows 11's badgering for a Microsoft account, but it manifests in parts of MacOS (namely anything to do with the App Store) flat out refusing to work until an Apple account is provided. I may have to make a throwaway Apple account just so I can do something as mundanely basic as updating the system applications.
  - LeoPanthera 3y ago
    > I may have to make a throwaway Apple account just so I can do something as mundanely basic as updating the system applications. Perhaps you have an odd definition of "system applications", but macOS updates do not require logging into iCloud, or the use of an Apple ID.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      System applications as in the programs that come pre-installed with a fresh install of MacOS. Updating MacOS doesn't require an Apple account, but not the pre-installed stuff.
      - LeoPanthera 3y ago