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Dry cask storage on site is absolutely safe. It's dry waste, there's nothing to leak. It sits in reinforced concrete casks that are rated to last over a hundred

by evilos 3y ago

Dry cask storage on site is absolutely safe. It's dry waste, there's nothing to leak. It sits in reinforced concrete casks that are rated to last over a hundred years. After that, you can just put it in a new cask and repeat. There's not very much of it so you can just keep it at the site.

Krasnol 3y ago
Germany alone has 120.000m³ low and mid waste which needs to be stored. However only a small part of it is ready to be stored (in the safe and deep hole Germany still couldn't find). 2016 they had 15.000t of spend fuel. When all the plants are gone, Germany will have 300.000m³ of waste which needs to disappear for a long time in hope that nobody will ever get the idea of digging it out again. No nuclear company will want to have to do with anything of that. They paid some ridiculous amount of money for their subsidized profits, and the taxpayers will have to deal with it for the next thousands of years. Nuclear technology is overdue. There are better, cheaper and cleaner alternatives already out there.
- evilos 3y ago
  Low/mid waste is mostly just normal trash after it sits for a year or two. Going through the trouble and expense of burying all of it like it's spent nuclear fuel is just wasted money. We spend billions of dollars pretending lightly radioactive material is going to kill someone. Not one person has ever died from handling nuclear waste.
  - Krasnol 3y ago
    Well I guess the German government should have just asked evilos on the internets and not bother with all those scientists and regulations. Crazy them.
    - illiarian 3y ago
      That is exactly what they did. Instead of asking people who know their shit they went ahead with populism, emotions, and scare tactics.
      - Krasnol 3y ago
        Sure, other random internets person.
- illiarian 3y ago
  In France, for example, only 0.2% of nuclear waste is high level long-live waste and needs to be disposed of somewhere deep and safe. The absolute vast majority is low-level waste that we have not trouble with. See report on nuclear inventory: https://international.andra.fr/sites/international/files/2020-03/Andra-MAJ_Essentiels_2020_UK.pdf https://international.andra.fr/sites/international/files/202... page 14 The FUD around nuclear waste is FUD and politics
  - Krasnol 3y ago
    It's not only high level long-live which has to be stored deep and safe. Your source shows it pretty good, and therefore it's not "just" 0,2% but 9% + an unknown amount of VLLW. However, the best thing about this "report" is what's not in there: DECOMISSIONING :D France will be so full of nuclear waste at the end of this ridiculous era, they're going to protests about that over and over. Mo matter where anybody decides to put the waste. But who knows, maybe by then the war with Russia is over and they can make it disappear there again....I'm sure that's the best solution for humanity.
    - illiarian 3y ago
      > It's not only high level long-live which has to be stored deep and safe. Your source shows it pretty good, and therefore it's not "just" 0,2% but 9% + an unknown amount of VLLW. See, again you're bunching very different types of waste together as if they were the same thing. VLLW is "Very Low Level Waste". Disposal: Existing surface disposal. And yet, you're bunching it up with high-level waste. So, to correct my calculations. Deep geological disposal is required for: High-Level Waste (HLW) and Intermediate-Level Long-Lived waste. Combined they are 3.1% of all waste. Disposal for Low Level Long Lived Waste (LLW-LL) is in development, will be near-sruface disposal, 5.9% of waste. Literally everything else, that is 91% of all waste, can be safely disposed of using existing surface disposal. 5.9% will be near-surface disposal. Only 3% will be buried deep. But sure, do keep on spreadin FUD on how OMG THERE'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TONS OF HAZARDOUS WASTE WE DON'T HOW TO DEAL WITH. What was that original FUD you were talking about? Oh, right: "Germany will have 300.000m³ of waste which needs to disappear for a long time in hope that nobody will ever get the idea of digging it out again." Reality check: (conidering that the scary volume isn't made up) 9 000 cubic meters of that is something to be stored deep in the ground (and even if we don't have that storage, nuclear waste as it's stored is very safe, and can be stored for about a hundred years above ground). > However, the best thing about this "report" is what's not in there: DECOMISSIONING Oh look. Goalposts are wooshing by.

by evilos 3y ago

Krasnol 3y ago

Germany alone has 120.000m³ low and mid waste which needs to be stored. However only a small part of it is ready to be stored (in the safe and deep hole Germany still couldn't find). 2016 they had 15.000t of spend fuel. When all the plants are gone, Germany will have 300.000m³ of waste which needs to disappear for a long time in hope that nobody will ever get the idea of digging it out again. No nuclear company will want to have to do with anything of that. They paid some ridiculous amount of money for their subsidized profits, and the taxpayers will have to deal with it for the next thousands of years. Nuclear technology is overdue. There are better, cheaper and cleaner alternatives already out there.

evilos 3y ago
Low/mid waste is mostly just normal trash after it sits for a year or two. Going through the trouble and expense of burying all of it like it's spent nuclear fuel is just wasted money. We spend billions of dollars pretending lightly radioactive material is going to kill someone. Not one person has ever died from handling nuclear waste.
- Krasnol 3y ago
  Well I guess the German government should have just asked evilos on the internets and not bother with all those scientists and regulations. Crazy them.
  - illiarian 3y ago
    That is exactly what they did. Instead of asking people who know their shit they went ahead with populism, emotions, and scare tactics.
    - Krasnol 3y ago
      Sure, other random internets person.
illiarian 3y ago
In France, for example, only 0.2% of nuclear waste is high level long-live waste and needs to be disposed of somewhere deep and safe. The absolute vast majority is low-level waste that we have not trouble with. See report on nuclear inventory: https://international.andra.fr/sites/international/files/2020-03/Andra-MAJ_Essentiels_2020_UK.pdf https://international.andra.fr/sites/international/files/202... page 14 The FUD around nuclear waste is FUD and politics
- Krasnol 3y ago
  It's not only high level long-live which has to be stored deep and safe. Your source shows it pretty good, and therefore it's not "just" 0,2% but 9% + an unknown amount of VLLW. However, the best thing about this "report" is what's not in there: DECOMISSIONING :D France will be so full of nuclear waste at the end of this ridiculous era, they're going to protests about that over and over. Mo matter where anybody decides to put the waste. But who knows, maybe by then the war with Russia is over and they can make it disappear there again....I'm sure that's the best solution for humanity.
  - illiarian 3y ago
    > It's not only high level long-live which has to be stored deep and safe. Your source shows it pretty good, and therefore it's not "just" 0,2% but 9% + an unknown amount of VLLW. See, again you're bunching very different types of waste together as if they were the same thing. VLLW is "Very Low Level Waste". Disposal: Existing surface disposal. And yet, you're bunching it up with high-level waste. So, to correct my calculations. Deep geological disposal is required for: High-Level Waste (HLW) and Intermediate-Level Long-Lived waste. Combined they are 3.1% of all waste. Disposal for Low Level Long Lived Waste (LLW-LL) is in development, will be near-sruface disposal, 5.9% of waste. Literally everything else, that is 91% of all waste, can be safely disposed of using existing surface disposal. 5.9% will be near-surface disposal. Only 3% will be buried deep. But sure, do keep on spreadin FUD on how OMG THERE'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TONS OF HAZARDOUS WASTE WE DON'T HOW TO DEAL WITH. What was that original FUD you were talking about? Oh, right: "Germany will have 300.000m³ of waste which needs to disappear for a long time in hope that nobody will ever get the idea of digging it out again." Reality check: (conidering that the scary volume isn't made up) 9 000 cubic meters of that is something to be stored deep in the ground (and even if we don't have that storage, nuclear waste as it's stored is very safe, and can be stored for about a hundred years above ground). > However, the best thing about this "report" is what's not in there: DECOMISSIONING Oh look. Goalposts are wooshing by.