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For a similar reason that camera surveillance can be forbidden in places where people are still allowed to keep their eyes open. Or sending millions of message

For a similar reason that camera surveillance can be forbidden in places where people are still allowed to keep their eyes open. Or sending millions of messages in an automated way can be illegal but millions of people sending a message is not.

seadan83 4y ago
I'm confused by the forbidden surveillance example. Generally surveillance camera's are legal for any place where there is no expectation of privacy. The expectation of privacy is largely only ones home, outside of that you can be video taped all day long by anyone. I'm not sure how this is analgous.. The million messages example is interesting. Though, what examples are there? In what cases is something legal to do it once, but there is some threshold where you cannot do it many times? The "sending millions of messages" is only perhaps illegal because it breaks terms of service. Or, the one message is perhaps also illegal but nobody cares to pursue litigation for one instance of an infraction. The point remains though, if an individual does something once that is legal - it makes that activity legal, period and full stop. No?
- Swenrekcah 4y ago
  I was thinking about things like spam and also social media. Note that my main objection is to equating a person doing something with an automated process. Sometimes it may be legal or other times illegal but it just clearly isn’t the same. For the last point, I think the answer to that is a definite no in most jurisdictions. Laws and judicial conventions often allow differing circumstances to affect the legality of things.
  - seadan83 4y ago
    > For the last point, I think the answer to that is a definite no in most jurisdictions. Laws and judicial conventions often allow differing circumstances to affect the legality of things. Curious, any concrete examples? I can't really think of any where one instance is okay but many is not. I can think of examples where one instance is ignored and many instances are harder to ignore (and so is prosecuted), but overall - I can't really think of anything that is okay to do once but not many times.
    - Swenrekcah 4y ago
      Don’t forget the automation part, that’s the key issue. Unsolicited robocalls are illegal in many places where human callers may not be.

seadan83 4y ago

I'm confused by the forbidden surveillance example. Generally surveillance camera's are legal for any place where there is no expectation of privacy. The expectation of privacy is largely only ones home, outside of that you can be video taped all day long by anyone. I'm not sure how this is analgous.. The million messages example is interesting. Though, what examples are there? In what cases is something legal to do it once, but there is some threshold where you cannot do it many times? The "sending millions of messages" is only perhaps illegal because it breaks terms of service. Or, the one message is perhaps also illegal but nobody cares to pursue litigation for one instance of an infraction. The point remains though, if an individual does something once that is legal - it makes that activity legal, period and full stop. No?

Swenrekcah 4y ago
I was thinking about things like spam and also social media. Note that my main objection is to equating a person doing something with an automated process. Sometimes it may be legal or other times illegal but it just clearly isn’t the same. For the last point, I think the answer to that is a definite no in most jurisdictions. Laws and judicial conventions often allow differing circumstances to affect the legality of things.
- seadan83 4y ago
  > For the last point, I think the answer to that is a definite no in most jurisdictions. Laws and judicial conventions often allow differing circumstances to affect the legality of things. Curious, any concrete examples? I can't really think of any where one instance is okay but many is not. I can think of examples where one instance is ignored and many instances are harder to ignore (and so is prosecuted), but overall - I can't really think of anything that is okay to do once but not many times.
  - Swenrekcah 4y ago
    Don’t forget the automation part, that’s the key issue. Unsolicited robocalls are illegal in many places where human callers may not be.