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> On what day it happened is independent of how often this happens, for how long, with what demand and the amount of other electricity supplies.. This was a re

> On what day it happened is independent of how often this happens, for how long, with what demand and the amount of other electricity supplies.. This was a regular sping night in a nation of 80 million people in the middle of Europe. Which means that for a lot of the rest of Europe it was also a quite night. > It sounds cute, but essentially it is pessimistic and anti-technology. No. It's realistic. Every time you show problems with intermittent generation by renewables, the answer is "sometime in unknown future we will surely build enough, and enough grid storage to boot". > The 'new' finnish reactor is 8 billion Euros more expensive than planned --- start quote --- Almost three-quarters of hydropower, water, coal and nuclear infrastructure projects were over budget by 49% on average, https://www.offshorewind.biz/2016/12/02/offshore-wind-projects-have-less-delays-and-cost-overruns-says-ey/ https://www.offshorewind.biz/2016/12/02/offshore-wind-projec... --- end quote --- Cost overruns are not unique to nuclear. Especially considering how underinvested nuclera has been for the past 20-30 people who keep spreading FUD. When there's political will, there are results. Fuqing Nuclear Power Plant in China: 6.1 GW nameplate capacity. Built over 14 years at 1 reactor per 6 years. Operational. Estimated cost 16 bln USD. > We also currently have not the wind dependence. In the future this will change. I shudder to think about the future where we depend on whether or not the wind will blow at night. > it has to do with investments into technology There are also laws of physics and reality.

lispm 3y ago
> This was a regular sping night in a nation of 80 million people in the middle of Europe. Which means that for a lot of the rest of Europe it was also a quite night. Nothing happened. In ten years we have 80% renewable. Again, nothing will happen. > the answer is "sometime in unknown future we will surely build enough, and enough grid storage to boot". Look at a nuclear power plant. If one starts building today, the reactor could be ready in 5, 10 or twenty years. In Finnland the EPR was 13 years late. Renewable can be deployed much faster and more reliable. > Almost three-quarters of hydropower, water, coal and nuclear infrastructure projects were over budget by 49% on average, The new Finnish reactor was 3.6 times more expensive than planned. That's a much larger price increase. > When there's political will, of a dictatorship > there are results. Fuqing Nuclear Power Plant in China: 6.1 GW nameplate capacity. Built over 14 years at 1 reactor per 6 years. Operational. Estimated cost 16 bln USD. Try to do the same in Western Europe... Btw, China deploys two large coal power plant blocks every week. -> to quote you: "When there's political will, there are results." See the share of nuclear in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China#/media/File:China-electricity-prod-source-stacked.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China#/m... Tiny. > I shudder to think about the future where we depend on whether or not the wind will blow at night. I don't. > There are also laws of physics and reality. Another slogan. What does it have to do with energy politics and technology?

lispm 3y ago

> This was a regular sping night in a nation of 80 million people in the middle of Europe. Which means that for a lot of the rest of Europe it was also a quite night. Nothing happened. In ten years we have 80% renewable. Again, nothing will happen. > the answer is "sometime in unknown future we will surely build enough, and enough grid storage to boot". Look at a nuclear power plant. If one starts building today, the reactor could be ready in 5, 10 or twenty years. In Finnland the EPR was 13 years late. Renewable can be deployed much faster and more reliable. > Almost three-quarters of hydropower, water, coal and nuclear infrastructure projects were over budget by 49% on average, The new Finnish reactor was 3.6 times more expensive than planned. That's a much larger price increase. > When there's political will, of a dictatorship > there are results. Fuqing Nuclear Power Plant in China: 6.1 GW nameplate capacity. Built over 14 years at 1 reactor per 6 years. Operational. Estimated cost 16 bln USD. Try to do the same in Western Europe... Btw, China deploys two large coal power plant blocks every week. -> to quote you: "When there's political will, there are results." See the share of nuclear in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China#/media/File:China-electricity-prod-source-stacked.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China#/m... Tiny. > I shudder to think about the future where we depend on whether or not the wind will blow at night. I don't. > There are also laws of physics and reality. Another slogan. What does it have to do with energy politics and technology?