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you should definitely move to a state that suits your political background, its fair to say you might not like florida. but that "don't say gay bill" is really

you should definitely move to a state that suits your political background, its fair to say you might not like florida. but that "don't say gay bill" is really just a "don't teach sex ed til 4th grade" bill. i'm understanding of people who don't like it nonetheless but there's other place for you to go, there's plenty of blue states and big cities that support left-wing agendas over right-wing ones, just go there instead, no?

frob 4y ago
It's not just through 3rd grade anymore. It's all the way through the end of high school. https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/florida-education-board-approves-expanding-parental-rights-law-through-12th-grade https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/florida-education-board-ap...
tombert 4y ago
I think this is a pretty stupid argument; I think this is an idiotic law, and I would even if I did agree with the bizarre LGBT grooming conspiracies. It’s poorly worded, likely to be abused, and also not just K-3 anymore like people keep incorrectly asserting. Even if I did think that there was some grooming conspiracy, I wouldn’t want to teach in Florida because I don’t want to be sued by some parent who has a relatively risk-free way to get free money by claiming I mentioned some LGBT agenda. Also, you understand that “move to a blue city” only gets you so far right? This will (and to some extent already has) lead to a shortage of decent teachers in Florida, because a lot of teachers who can move to a more hospitable state have (or will).
- stainablesteel 4y ago
  that's not exactly steel manning what i said, a lot of the modern lgbt craze is crossing religious boundaries, i don't want my kids to be taught anyone else's religion, i'm supposed to have this right granted to me and my kids under law people who like what's going on in florida will move to florida, its a win-win
  - tombert 4y ago
    It's actually not a win-win, because even if I agreed with your beliefs about the "lgbt craze", I wouldn't move to Florida. The law is so vaguely worded, and the plaintiffs in these lawsuits have virtually zero consequence for lying. Most parents are probably fine (liberal or conservative), but it only takes one dishonest parent to make a teacher's life very unpleasant. I suspect a lot of teachers see the writing on the wall and are getting the hell out of Florida.
    - stainablesteel 4y ago
      the same can be said about a lot of communities and it has more to do with crime and violence than about gender opinions, there's tons of people who get off with lying everywhere, i think you're fooling yourself into believing florida is somehow special. there's probably been more florida on your feed lately in order to get people to be anti-desantis, it a real thing
      - tombert 4y ago
        Those communities don’t have a special law tailor-made to make it is easier and risk-free to sue.

frob 4y ago

It's not just through 3rd grade anymore. It's all the way through the end of high school. https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/florida-education-board-approves-expanding-parental-rights-law-through-12th-grade https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/florida-education-board-ap...

tombert 4y ago

I think this is a pretty stupid argument; I think this is an idiotic law, and I would even if I did agree with the bizarre LGBT grooming conspiracies. It’s poorly worded, likely to be abused, and also not just K-3 anymore like people keep incorrectly asserting. Even if I did think that there was some grooming conspiracy, I wouldn’t want to teach in Florida because I don’t want to be sued by some parent who has a relatively risk-free way to get free money by claiming I mentioned some LGBT agenda. Also, you understand that “move to a blue city” only gets you so far right? This will (and to some extent already has) lead to a shortage of decent teachers in Florida, because a lot of teachers who can move to a more hospitable state have (or will).

stainablesteel 4y ago
that's not exactly steel manning what i said, a lot of the modern lgbt craze is crossing religious boundaries, i don't want my kids to be taught anyone else's religion, i'm supposed to have this right granted to me and my kids under law people who like what's going on in florida will move to florida, its a win-win
- tombert 4y ago
  It's actually not a win-win, because even if I agreed with your beliefs about the "lgbt craze", I wouldn't move to Florida. The law is so vaguely worded, and the plaintiffs in these lawsuits have virtually zero consequence for lying. Most parents are probably fine (liberal or conservative), but it only takes one dishonest parent to make a teacher's life very unpleasant. I suspect a lot of teachers see the writing on the wall and are getting the hell out of Florida.
  - stainablesteel 4y ago
    the same can be said about a lot of communities and it has more to do with crime and violence than about gender opinions, there's tons of people who get off with lying everywhere, i think you're fooling yourself into believing florida is somehow special. there's probably been more florida on your feed lately in order to get people to be anti-desantis, it a real thing
    - tombert 4y ago
      Those communities don’t have a special law tailor-made to make it is easier and risk-free to sue.