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I don't get this bogus argument. Germany is using the least coal in its history for electricity. The data is very easy to find, but it's a knee jerk reaction th

I don't get this bogus argument. Germany is using the least coal in its history for electricity. The data is very easy to find, but it's a knee jerk reaction that they got rid of nuclear and so they must've replaced it with coal. Not true at all, and it's getting tiring reading this nonsense.

illiarian 4y ago
They replaced it with coal, gas and biofuel (that is, burning more stuff): https://twitter.com/energybants/status/1647799729734971396 https://twitter.com/energybants/status/1647799729734971396
- locallost 4y ago
  It's nonsense. Look at the production for the year for the last 10 years, not a snapshot of a nuclear lobbyist.
  - illiarian 4y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35660264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35660264
    - locallost 4y ago
      So it matters when wind is providing 20%, but it doesn't matter when it's providing 100%. Thus, even though coal use is at a historic low, it's actually increasing, and in other news water is dry and grass is red.
      - illiarian 4y ago
        > So it matters when wind is providing 20%, but it doesn't matter when it's providing 100%. Of course. Because when there's no electricity, there's no electricity. > even though coal use is at a historic low, it's actually increasing You pretend this is a contradiction when it's not. Germany has just shut down its last reactors. So yes, the usage of coal will increase because when renewable generation is low you still need to provide electricity. Guess what provides that electricity.
        locallost 4y ago
        No. Germany already began shutting down reactors in 2011 and coal use continued to go down. The proof is in the pudding -- data beats predictions. The rise in renewables will continue to decrease coal use. Deadline for coal is 2038, with possibly moving it to 2030.
        illiarian 4y ago
        > The proof is in the pudding -- data beats predictions. Tell me, using data, on a quiet night, where does Germany's electricity come from, and where it will come from this wondrous future of 2030?
        locallost 4y ago
        Makes no difference. Your claim was that Germany replaced nuclear with coal. Here are the hard numbers: https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/38 https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/38... The bottom three are: black coal in magenta nuclear in gray brown coal in brown Nuclear shutdowns started in Germany in 2011. Check the numbers. BTW with what did France replace its failing reactors last year? https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-france-climate-and-environment-government-politics-1d16e1c1cb53fef03a2a77a437f8410e https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-france-climate-an...
        illiarian 4y ago
        > Your claim was that Germany replaced nuclear with coal. Here are the hard numbers: Funny how these hard numbers don't answer a simple question: where does Germany get its power on a quiet night like April 15th (answer is simple: buring coal, gas, and biofuels). > BTW with what did France replace its failing reactors last year? Last year it's "failing" generators were taken of for planned maintenance. The actual failures accounted for 0.18% loss in power.
_ph_ 4y ago
50% of the German electricity are now renewable, wind, solar, biomass, water. In 2022, Germany was creating and exporting a considerable chunk of electricity to help plugging the holes left by the switched off French reactors.

illiarian 4y ago

They replaced it with coal, gas and biofuel (that is, burning more stuff): https://twitter.com/energybants/status/1647799729734971396 https://twitter.com/energybants/status/1647799729734971396

locallost 4y ago
It's nonsense. Look at the production for the year for the last 10 years, not a snapshot of a nuclear lobbyist.
- illiarian 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35660264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35660264
  - locallost 4y ago
    So it matters when wind is providing 20%, but it doesn't matter when it's providing 100%. Thus, even though coal use is at a historic low, it's actually increasing, and in other news water is dry and grass is red.
    - illiarian 4y ago
      > So it matters when wind is providing 20%, but it doesn't matter when it's providing 100%. Of course. Because when there's no electricity, there's no electricity. > even though coal use is at a historic low, it's actually increasing You pretend this is a contradiction when it's not. Germany has just shut down its last reactors. So yes, the usage of coal will increase because when renewable generation is low you still need to provide electricity. Guess what provides that electricity.
      - locallost 4y ago
        No. Germany already began shutting down reactors in 2011 and coal use continued to go down. The proof is in the pudding -- data beats predictions. The rise in renewables will continue to decrease coal use. Deadline for coal is 2038, with possibly moving it to 2030.
        illiarian 4y ago
        > The proof is in the pudding -- data beats predictions. Tell me, using data, on a quiet night, where does Germany's electricity come from, and where it will come from this wondrous future of 2030?
        locallost 4y ago
        Makes no difference. Your claim was that Germany replaced nuclear with coal. Here are the hard numbers: https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/38 https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/38... The bottom three are: black coal in magenta nuclear in gray brown coal in brown Nuclear shutdowns started in Germany in 2011. Check the numbers. BTW with what did France replace its failing reactors last year? https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-france-climate-and-environment-government-politics-1d16e1c1cb53fef03a2a77a437f8410e https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-france-climate-an...
        illiarian 4y ago
        > Your claim was that Germany replaced nuclear with coal. Here are the hard numbers: Funny how these hard numbers don't answer a simple question: where does Germany get its power on a quiet night like April 15th (answer is simple: buring coal, gas, and biofuels). > BTW with what did France replace its failing reactors last year? Last year it's "failing" generators were taken of for planned maintenance. The actual failures accounted for 0.18% loss in power.

_ph_ 4y ago

50% of the German electricity are now renewable, wind, solar, biomass, water. In 2022, Germany was creating and exporting a considerable chunk of electricity to help plugging the holes left by the switched off French reactors.