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Anyone who uses that argument, ask them to hand you their phone, unlocked, and a list of passwords for all of their accounts. If you have nothing to hide, why w
by genocidicbunny 4y ago
Anyone who uses that argument, ask them to hand you their phone, unlocked, and a list of passwords for all of their accounts. If you have nothing to hide, why would you have a problem with me poking around in the most intimate aspects of your life?
- iknowstuff 4y agoThis doesn't really convince them. To them, a friend might be someone they want to hide things from, but they won’t care about some unknown government entity having access.
- AnthonyMouse 4y agoThis comes from not knowing what organizations are likely to do with it. Would they be okay with the data being used to overcharge them whenever they're in a hurry because the organization knows when they don't have time to comparison shop? How about maximizing their tax burden by using the data to calculate the highest tax rates each area would tolerate before moving or changing their vote? Suppose the government falls under the control of the party they don't like. Should they have access to the data that allows them to most effectively target their propaganda?
- genocidicbunny 4y agoAnd it doesn't even have to be an organization. How often do you hear of cops or civil employees poking around in records they have no business to poke around in?
- AnthonyMouse 4y agoThat kind of thing happens to be sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOVEINT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOVEINT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT But I find the sort of people who believe in "nothing to hide" tend to believe in the efficacy of bureaucratic systems set up to prevent that sort of thing. A belief (ironically) bolstered by the privacy those organizations secure for themselves, so that those kinds of individual abuses are rarely discovered. Who watches the watchers? Whereas it's easy to understand that if you don't have a high opinion of the opposing party's most recent President, you might very well not want their administration knowing everything about everyone.
- iknowstuff 4y agoExactly, those are far more convincing arguments than "well let me see your phone then".
- genocidicbunny 4y agoThe two arguments aren't mutually exclusive. The shock value of 'let me see your phone then' can lead into the greater discussion that AnthonyMouse is presenting. The emotional hook can often be just as useful as the logical argument, especially when dealing with someone who didn't really reason themselves into a given position in the first place.
- iknowstuff 4y agoI like the way you think. I appreciate you!
- Vogtinator 4y agoNot fully comparable because passwords usually give you more than just read access.
- genocidicbunny 4y agoWell, you can pinky promise you won't do anything bad with that level of access. In fact, you can double pinky promise. That's like 100% more promise.
- dec0dedab0de 4y agoThe really crazy part is that I have multiple friends and family that would turn over their info to me with no questions asked.
- genocidicbunny 4y agoUnfortunately, it's an issue that's hard for many to understand until it directly affects them. Sometimes you need to find something relatively innocuous but still embarrassing and 'give them a thwap' with it, but even then the chances of them understanding are still low.