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The Party(TM) must love types like you. There's a huge subset (dare I say majority) of those "patriots" you deride who don't like this stuff, don't think their

The Party(TM) must love types like you. There's a huge subset (dare I say majority) of those "patriots" you deride who don't like this stuff, don't think their goings on are any of the government's business. But of course you ignore that because they don't want what you want on meaningless social issues.

RajT88 3y ago
Real patriots, in my experience: 1. Don't talk long and loud about being patriots (i.e. don't self-identify) 2. Tend to work for the government. Career govvies or military. They show their patriotism through action. > There's a huge subset (dare I say majority) of those "patriots" you deride who don't like this stuff, don't think their goings on are any of the government's business. I know the type well, as that describes one side of my family. Despite your protestations, we're saying the same thing.
- prottog 3y ago
  > Tend to work for the government. Career govvies or military. They show their patriotism through action. I just want to chime in here and say that working for the government isn't the only way to be a patriot (i.e. serve the country). Upholding American values is something anyone can do in any part of society.
  - RajT88 3y ago
    That's fair enough. What's fresh in my memory is a few weeks back, I was at Quantico for the graduation of a family member from the FBI academy, where the convocation speech was delivered by Christopher Wray. I cannot imagine a more patriotic group of people - genuinely people who dedicate their whole lives to the betterment of the nation. It was really inspiring.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > I cannot imagine a more patriotic group of people - genuinely people who dedicate their whole lives to the betterment of the nation. The actual history of the FBI (whether the near universal perjury in fiber “analysis” cases, the repeated use of provocateurs to discredit protest, especially civil rights, movements — up through the last few years — etc.) tells of a very different culture.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
        Still makes sense in a way. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as it goes. Though it certainly seems some influential people had (and have) more selfish intentions with their influence. It would be truly epic incompetence otherwise.
        RajT88 3y ago
        /\--- this.

RajT88 3y ago

Real patriots, in my experience: 1. Don't talk long and loud about being patriots (i.e. don't self-identify) 2. Tend to work for the government. Career govvies or military. They show their patriotism through action. > There's a huge subset (dare I say majority) of those "patriots" you deride who don't like this stuff, don't think their goings on are any of the government's business. I know the type well, as that describes one side of my family. Despite your protestations, we're saying the same thing.

prottog 3y ago
> Tend to work for the government. Career govvies or military. They show their patriotism through action. I just want to chime in here and say that working for the government isn't the only way to be a patriot (i.e. serve the country). Upholding American values is something anyone can do in any part of society.
- RajT88 3y ago
  That's fair enough. What's fresh in my memory is a few weeks back, I was at Quantico for the graduation of a family member from the FBI academy, where the convocation speech was delivered by Christopher Wray. I cannot imagine a more patriotic group of people - genuinely people who dedicate their whole lives to the betterment of the nation. It was really inspiring.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > I cannot imagine a more patriotic group of people - genuinely people who dedicate their whole lives to the betterment of the nation. The actual history of the FBI (whether the near universal perjury in fiber “analysis” cases, the repeated use of provocateurs to discredit protest, especially civil rights, movements — up through the last few years — etc.) tells of a very different culture.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
      Still makes sense in a way. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as it goes. Though it certainly seems some influential people had (and have) more selfish intentions with their influence. It would be truly epic incompetence otherwise.
      - RajT88 3y ago
        /\--- this.