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> plumbers , carpenters, construction workers, chefs , explorers There’s not enough real world demand for everyone to do these jobs, so what this really would
by bugglebeetle 4y ago
> plumbers , carpenters, construction workers, chefs , explorers
There’s not enough real world demand for everyone to do these jobs, so what this really would amount to is masses of unemployed people subsistence farming, rotting on the street or being absorbed into organized crime syndicates or militant groups. Just take a look at how this plays out in many poor countries today.
- AlecSchueler 4y agoI think unemployment could mean something quite different in the future though if it becomes the new norm and is culturally accepted. There's plenty to do with your time outside of traditional work. Maybe we can work on bringing our communities better together, work through our personal and social traumas in a way we've never been able to since day 1.
- bugglebeetle 4y agoIn the 250 years since America’s founding, the idea that economic success is directly conflated with divine favor has only become more deeply ingrained, dressing itself up in the philosophy of eugenics, various economic schools, and so-called “rationalism,” even as we have (nominally) moved ever farther away from its origins in Protestant Ideology. The idea that unemployment will take on a new meaning in this context seems unlikely. Quite the contrary, the idea that AI-driven dispossession is necessary and preordained to sanctify the wisdom and virtue of its creators seems to already be taking hold.
- nice_byte 4y ago> the idea that AI-driven dispossession is necessary and preordained to sanctify the wisdom and virtue of its creators seems to already be taking hold I am not seeing that anywhere. Most of what i see is astounding naivety like in your parent's comment - completely unfounded hope that "things will work out for everyone".
- bugglebeetle 4y agoGo look at anything Altman and his compatriots have said about the need for “alignment” in their creation of a supposed god, or the “long-termism” ideology from which much of this emerged, which is really little more than warmed over Calvinism.
- nice_byte 4y agoI meant to say that I don't see anyone outright claiming that ai-induced poverty and dispossession is "actually a Good Thing" and those affected by it would "deserve it". Stating something like that would be way too stupid even for those completely detached from the everyday reality of normal people. On the contrary, constant attempts are made to smooth these things over by talking about UBI and how people will be free to pursue Things That Matter (tm).
- bugglebeetle 4y agoThere’s thinly-veiled versions of that all over this site now, but yes, that’s the point of all the ideological dressing. Mostly, it takes the form of “it’s impossible to stop progress now, how dare these Luddites stand in the way of free energy and curing every disease” etc
- AlecSchueler 4y agoIt's funny you say that while I've been called a luddite several times here for concern over deepfake abuse material.
- the_only_law 4y agoI’d wager we start killing each other before that.
- nice_byte 4y agoYup. Mark my words, there will be paramilitary units blowing up datacenters. Not that it'll help their situation much.
- spaceman_2020 4y agoIn India, farming is intentionally hobbled and kept under-mechanized to ensure employment for the bulk of the population. There are limits on land holding and commercial sales, such that most farms are just a few acres, making large scale mechanization unfeasible. There will be regulation against AI if it ends up threatening a lot of jobs.