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Certain groups? I think everyone in government, in all parties, would oppose that education - because their own propaganda would become less effective too. Do y

Certain groups? I think everyone in government, in all parties, would oppose that education - because their own propaganda would become less effective too. Do you think those in power would ever go out of their way to help people learn about gerrymandering, ranked choice voting, or the pitfalls of a two-party system?

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
They did specify government "authoritarians". It's not much of a stretch to think that they don't believe "everyone in government" is an authoritarian.
pydry 3y ago
>Do you think those in power would ever go out of their way to help people learn about gerrymandering, ranked choice voting They tend to be more fine with this sort of thing if the fix isn't on the cards politically. E.g. you will see some nuclear attacks on the idea of raising the minimum wage from the media when it is being debated in Congress, while that same media will often fawn over political pipe dreams like basic income. The Russian bots will pull this trick where they set up, e.g. a facebook page for "proud Texan cowboy dads" and then funnel innocuous stuff they will agree with 99% of the time and then 1% of the time push stuff that really matters to them ("why are we sending yet more money to Ukraine when proud Texans at home are suffering!"). This isn't controversial to state. I think it's clear that they do this - what is controversial to state is that this is exactly what the rest of the "legitimate" media does exactly the same thing on behalf of the oligarchy who own it.
tstrimple 3y ago
Except that they do talk about rcv and gerrymandering. And the two party system is intrinsically linked to our "preferred" voting method. If no one in power is talking about RCV how is it being implemented in various states? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_Un... If no one is talking about gerrymandering, why have some states implemented independent redistricting? https://redistricting.lls.edu/national-overview/?colorby=Institution&level=Congress&cycle=2020 https://redistricting.lls.edu/national-overview/?colorby=Ins... It was one political party which proposed and supported the Freedom to Vote Act and the For the People Act which would have made political gerrymandering illegal across the country and increased access to voting and exactly one of our parties who stood against it. I know people like to pretend they are above politics and will "both sides" everything to death. But all you have to do is look at what is being proposed and who is supporting what with their votes to see past that FUD.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago

They did specify government "authoritarians". It's not much of a stretch to think that they don't believe "everyone in government" is an authoritarian.

pydry 3y ago

>Do you think those in power would ever go out of their way to help people learn about gerrymandering, ranked choice voting They tend to be more fine with this sort of thing if the fix isn't on the cards politically. E.g. you will see some nuclear attacks on the idea of raising the minimum wage from the media when it is being debated in Congress, while that same media will often fawn over political pipe dreams like basic income. The Russian bots will pull this trick where they set up, e.g. a facebook page for "proud Texan cowboy dads" and then funnel innocuous stuff they will agree with 99% of the time and then 1% of the time push stuff that really matters to them ("why are we sending yet more money to Ukraine when proud Texans at home are suffering!"). This isn't controversial to state. I think it's clear that they do this - what is controversial to state is that this is exactly what the rest of the "legitimate" media does exactly the same thing on behalf of the oligarchy who own it.

tstrimple 3y ago

Except that they do talk about rcv and gerrymandering. And the two party system is intrinsically linked to our "preferred" voting method. If no one in power is talking about RCV how is it being implemented in various states? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_Un... If no one is talking about gerrymandering, why have some states implemented independent redistricting? https://redistricting.lls.edu/national-overview/?colorby=Institution&level=Congress&cycle=2020 https://redistricting.lls.edu/national-overview/?colorby=Ins... It was one political party which proposed and supported the Freedom to Vote Act and the For the People Act which would have made political gerrymandering illegal across the country and increased access to voting and exactly one of our parties who stood against it. I know people like to pretend they are above politics and will "both sides" everything to death. But all you have to do is look at what is being proposed and who is supporting what with their votes to see past that FUD.