Also, I want to add an observation, as an immigrant in the US, and this applies especially to liberals: whenever they see something they like in Europe, it trum

Also, I want to add an observation, as an immigrant in the US, and this applies especially to liberals: whenever they see something they like in Europe, it trumps every other argument. Because it is happening in Europe, *it is* better and debating it further paints you as an uneducated bigot. If it's something that liberals don't agree with, then "yeah, but this is the US", "we can and should do better" etc. e.g. When talking about laws or policies that positively discriminate based on skin color, someone said "this wouldn't even be a discussion in Europe, it would just be accepted". I had to point out that it would actually be illegal/unconstitutional in all places I know about in Europe. Another one: All of Europe, except the UK, has voter ID requirements, some stricter than others. I will add manual vote counting to my list.