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Maybe this is a warning sign that the wellbeing of society is falling off a cliff, even though GDP is growing. This is not sustainable

rcme 4y ago
What's unsustainable about it?
- lm28469 4y ago
  Fat = unhealthy = more stress on the health care system Fat = lower fertility Fat = largest contributor in the 3 top leading cause of deaths in the US &c. imho it's a symptom of a larger thing, like stress induced over eating in animals. It's a slow suicide, an healthy individual should be able to see it for what it is and act on it, society should be able to see it for what it is and help these individuals, seems like we're doing the complete opposite, mostly for profit
  - rcme 4y ago
    None of those things are inherently unsustainable. In fact, a smaller population that dies earlier is actually more sustainable than a large, long-living population.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      A dwindling population eventually reaches 0
      - rcme 4y ago
        https://xkcd.com/605/ https://xkcd.com/605/ It seems more likely that an equilibrium would be reached before the population reaches 0.
    - lm28469 4y ago
      Unsustainable as in "humanity will be wiped out ? Clearly no Unsustainable as in people are shadows of what they could be, people die way earlier than they should, &c ? Definitely Outliers excluded, the difference between an active/fit 60 years old and someone who's been fat their whole life at the same age is night and day. One has years/decades of healthy life to go, the other has one foot in the grave If it was an experiment on animals we would have pulled the plug 30 years ago
      - rcme 4y ago
        I agree that if you measure outcomes by life expectancy or activity level, being obese is objectively bad. But we give people agency to make their own decisions, and obesity is a choice. It's both a personal choice, i.e. people choose their lifestyle and diet, and a societal choice, i.e. society chooses not to discourage unhealthy eating habits. Plenty of choices lead to objectively worse outcomes, but that doesn't mean those choices are unsustainable. It just means they're less than ideal.
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ttoinou 4y ago
GDP has never been a sign of wellbeing
duxup 4y ago
I feel like your statement is too empty to really draw any conclusions from it.
lm28469 4y ago
> Maybe this is a warning sign This one wasn't enough lmao ? https://www.niddk.nih.gov/-/media/Images/Health-Information/Weight-Management/Graph-8-revised.jpg https://www.niddk.nih.gov/-/media/Images/Health-Information/... > Trends in obesity among children and adolescents ages 2–19 years, by age: United States, 1963–1965 through 2017–20183
dragonwriter 4y ago
Well, yes, military recruitment with static pay, benefits, conditions, and standards is unsustainable in a job market for low-end work better than it is calibrated for. Hence why such conditions tend to produce soneme combination of improved basic pay and benefits (rare), increased signing bonuses, and loosened standards. (Not sure I see that as a problem for well-being of society, but...)

rcme 4y ago

What's unsustainable about it?

lm28469 4y ago
Fat = unhealthy = more stress on the health care system Fat = lower fertility Fat = largest contributor in the 3 top leading cause of deaths in the US &c. imho it's a symptom of a larger thing, like stress induced over eating in animals. It's a slow suicide, an healthy individual should be able to see it for what it is and act on it, society should be able to see it for what it is and help these individuals, seems like we're doing the complete opposite, mostly for profit
- rcme 4y ago
  None of those things are inherently unsustainable. In fact, a smaller population that dies earlier is actually more sustainable than a large, long-living population.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    A dwindling population eventually reaches 0
    - rcme 4y ago
      https://xkcd.com/605/ https://xkcd.com/605/ It seems more likely that an equilibrium would be reached before the population reaches 0.
  - lm28469 4y ago
    Unsustainable as in "humanity will be wiped out ? Clearly no Unsustainable as in people are shadows of what they could be, people die way earlier than they should, &c ? Definitely Outliers excluded, the difference between an active/fit 60 years old and someone who's been fat their whole life at the same age is night and day. One has years/decades of healthy life to go, the other has one foot in the grave If it was an experiment on animals we would have pulled the plug 30 years ago
    - rcme 4y ago
      I agree that if you measure outcomes by life expectancy or activity level, being obese is objectively bad. But we give people agency to make their own decisions, and obesity is a choice. It's both a personal choice, i.e. people choose their lifestyle and diet, and a societal choice, i.e. society chooses not to discourage unhealthy eating habits. Plenty of choices lead to objectively worse outcomes, but that doesn't mean those choices are unsustainable. It just means they're less than ideal.
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ttoinou 4y ago

GDP has never been a sign of wellbeing

duxup 4y ago

I feel like your statement is too empty to really draw any conclusions from it.

lm28469 4y ago

> Maybe this is a warning sign This one wasn't enough lmao ? https://www.niddk.nih.gov/-/media/Images/Health-Information/Weight-Management/Graph-8-revised.jpg https://www.niddk.nih.gov/-/media/Images/Health-Information/... > Trends in obesity among children and adolescents ages 2–19 years, by age: United States, 1963–1965 through 2017–20183

dragonwriter 4y ago

Well, yes, military recruitment with static pay, benefits, conditions, and standards is unsustainable in a job market for low-end work better than it is calibrated for. Hence why such conditions tend to produce soneme combination of improved basic pay and benefits (rare), increased signing bonuses, and loosened standards. (Not sure I see that as a problem for well-being of society, but...)