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> The US has lost three wars without resorting to nuclear weapons; None of which was happening anywhere close to US borders. In finance they say that past perf

> The US has lost three wars without resorting to nuclear weapons; None of which was happening anywhere close to US borders. In finance they say that past performance is no guarantee of future results, but you're eager to bet everything you have on this war outcome nonetheless.

jcranmer 3y ago
Ah yes, but the war Russia (as Russia, and not the USSR) lost was fought on Russian soil.
- ghostwriter 3y ago
  Russia didn't lose in Chechnya, there were two campaigns and three rival military insurgent groups to combat. Eventually, the most prominent one was dealt with, and Khattab and all of his Saudi and Afghani terrorist field commanders were eliminated.
  - jcranmer 3y ago
    That was the Second Chechen War, though, not the First Chechen War, was it not?
    - ghostwriter 3y ago
      The three insurgent groups acted across two campaings (two hot war phases). The first phase was dealing with Dudayev & Maskhadov and their following specifically. The second phase acted on the Kadyrovs group and the Khattab & Basayev group. The former essentially were bought out and negotiated out of the war via rivalry with Maskhadov, financial incetives, and several regional autonomy promises (they have their own militia and army divisions like the 141 Special Motorized Regiment). The latter Khattab group effectively became the most prominent force during the second phase, it had several field commanders from Middle East who organized acts of terror in major Russian cities. [1] The war ended with elimination of all the leaders and field commanders of the two separatist groups. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Khattab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Khattab
  - xdennis 3y ago
    > Russia didn't lose in Chechnya Yes it did, you're arguing against basic facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
    - ghostwriter 3y ago
      No it didn't, you're referring to an article on Wikipedia explaining how a battle was lost. I was saying how the war was won. Eventually every single insurgency leader and their field commanders were eliminated and nowadays Chechnya is part of Russia, and Chechen military forces are fighting on the side of Russia. If that's your definition of Russia's losing then I don't envy Ukrainian military command leaders.

jcranmer 3y ago

Ah yes, but the war Russia (as Russia, and not the USSR) lost was fought on Russian soil.

ghostwriter 3y ago
Russia didn't lose in Chechnya, there were two campaigns and three rival military insurgent groups to combat. Eventually, the most prominent one was dealt with, and Khattab and all of his Saudi and Afghani terrorist field commanders were eliminated.
- jcranmer 3y ago
  That was the Second Chechen War, though, not the First Chechen War, was it not?
  - ghostwriter 3y ago
    The three insurgent groups acted across two campaings (two hot war phases). The first phase was dealing with Dudayev & Maskhadov and their following specifically. The second phase acted on the Kadyrovs group and the Khattab & Basayev group. The former essentially were bought out and negotiated out of the war via rivalry with Maskhadov, financial incetives, and several regional autonomy promises (they have their own militia and army divisions like the 141 Special Motorized Regiment). The latter Khattab group effectively became the most prominent force during the second phase, it had several field commanders from Middle East who organized acts of terror in major Russian cities. [1] The war ended with elimination of all the leaders and field commanders of the two separatist groups. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Khattab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Khattab
- xdennis 3y ago
  > Russia didn't lose in Chechnya Yes it did, you're arguing against basic facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
  - ghostwriter 3y ago
    No it didn't, you're referring to an article on Wikipedia explaining how a battle was lost. I was saying how the war was won. Eventually every single insurgency leader and their field commanders were eliminated and nowadays Chechnya is part of Russia, and Chechen military forces are fighting on the side of Russia. If that's your definition of Russia's losing then I don't envy Ukrainian military command leaders.