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It's a common misconception to think it's Putin's war and not Russians'. There are many people who fled Russia in European cities like Berlin. How many anti-war
by k_bx 3y ago
It's a common misconception to think it's Putin's war and not Russians'. There are many people who fled Russia in European cities like Berlin. How many anti-war protests conducted by Russians were there?
- rossdavidh 3y agoWell, there were at the very beginning, and they were quite harshly repressed. It's not like anti-war protests in the US against the Iraq war, where you can just do it and go back to your life the next day, necessarily. Russian reporters who just say negative things in print get prison sentences. There are more protests against the war in Ukraine now, than there were in Russia in 1915, and the Russian people eventually overthrew their czar over that.
- ethbr0 3y agoAs firsthand recorded source material for the above, see "This American Life" episode 767, act 2. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/767/do-not-go-gentle https://www.thisamericanlife.org/767/do-not-go-gentle (Disclaimer: contains recordings from Russian police stations...)
- k_bx 3y agoPlease read my message again. I'm talking about protests in cities like Berlin, where nobody is repressed.
- tetromino_ 3y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62969778 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62969778 > Being an anti-war activist in Russia is dangerous. Rights groups say there have been more than 16,000 detentions across the country for anti-war actions. That's 16000 as of last September, by the way. Thousands more since.
- nordsieck 3y agoLook - I'm sure that there's lots of Russians who are against the war and are just afraid to speak out. But you can go on Youtube and find people doing interviews in Russia. It's pretty clear to me that the war continues to have substantial popular support among Russians. Is it a majority? Who knows. But it's not difficult to find people who are strong supporters.
- trololo01001 3y agoThat's laughable numbers. After the genocidal pictures from Bucha, destroyed Mariupol, 16 russian civilians dead in russia when their fighter fell on top of the buildings you'd think more people should be against. Sadly, russian society is sick and most of them want to destroy Ukraine. The only way they understand is brute force.
- k_bx 3y agoPlease read my message again: I'm talking about anti-war protests *outside* Russia, which are safe and should (in normal societies) produce many more attendees.
- jessepasley 3y agoDoesn't seem like there's a big protest scene in Germany. I don't remember seeing anything from Germans when the US blew up their pipeline.
- qikInNdOutReply 3y agoThis. We got to high on our own history lessons learned medicine in the west. Thinking that anybody shared that sentiment. For all those other regions on the planet, the Great game never ended and is in full swing ever after. For them the WorldWars were a colonial power internal affair, and now its "our turn to become the king of the hill of skulls". The history and injustices of 2 worldwars is just a justification to go into battle for them. Its bleak, but our reality altering screams never penetrated that mindset.