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>How is there not more debate about backing a country with enough nukes to destroy life on earth into a corner? That's exactly what Russia was counting on. Sho

>How is there not more debate about backing a country with enough nukes to destroy life on earth into a corner? That's exactly what Russia was counting on. Should we (by we, I mean the rest of the world) just let them annex whatever land they want, with no consequences or resistance?

ghostwriter 4y ago
> Should we (by we, I mean the rest of the world) just let them annex whatever land they want There's no "whatever land". The war is going for a particular land with particular significance to Russia, similarly to Panama's significance to the US [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Pana...
- xdennis 4y ago
  > The war is going for a particular land with particular significance As Putin himself said, Russia has no borders, so the orcs' goal is to subjugate everyone. What history does Russia have in Romania (it still occupies Transnistria)? What history does Russia have in Crimea (orcs only became the majority because of the execution/expulsion of the natives https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Ethnic_Population_of_Crimea_18th%E2%80%9321st_century.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Ethnic_P... ) > similarly to Panama's significance to the US Why is it that Russians are the most jingoistic "Americans"? Whenever someone points out what Russia is doing, they immediately praise the US for doing a lesser version of the same thing. If there's a similar significance does that mean you'll leave Ukraine afterwards?
  - ghostwriter 4y ago
    It's counter productive to get into debates with people who call one side of the conflict as "orcs", it just shows that you've got skin in the game to object to everything that doesn't align with "Ukraine's right and is winning" narrative. But just to show your bias once again here's a few points: > What history does Russia have in Romania (it still occupies Transnistria)? It has the same common history with Carpathian Ruthenia land that Ukraine isn't willing to return to Hungary and Romania. > Whenever someone points out what Russia is doing, they immediately praise the US for doing a lesser version of the same thing. That's to show you that double-standards exist and that nobody seems to care as long as it serves their agenda.
TexanFeller 4y ago
We've had longstanding, well defined, and agreed upon hard lines that we drew for invading NATO allies bordering Russia. We did not have a treaty with or a policy for Ukraine before the invasion. Biden refused to draw a hard line when he had a chance before the invasion, he was explicitly asked. We knew this was coming and could have drawn a line, but didn't.
symlinkk 4y ago
> Should we (by we, I mean the rest of the world) just let them annex whatever land they want, with no consequences or resistance? Yeah why is it our problem?
- xdennis 4y ago
  Because Russia has stated when they started this phase of the war that they want NATO to return to its borders before the fall of communism. This means reoccupying all the eastern European countries that are part of NATO. Assuming you believe in honoring the alliance, it's a lot easier to provide Ukraine with ammunition than to let it fall and have to send American troops to fight in Poland/Romania/etc.

ghostwriter 4y ago

> Should we (by we, I mean the rest of the world) just let them annex whatever land they want There's no "whatever land". The war is going for a particular land with particular significance to Russia, similarly to Panama's significance to the US [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Pana...

xdennis 4y ago
> The war is going for a particular land with particular significance As Putin himself said, Russia has no borders, so the orcs' goal is to subjugate everyone. What history does Russia have in Romania (it still occupies Transnistria)? What history does Russia have in Crimea (orcs only became the majority because of the execution/expulsion of the natives https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Ethnic_Population_of_Crimea_18th%E2%80%9321st_century.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Ethnic_P... ) > similarly to Panama's significance to the US Why is it that Russians are the most jingoistic "Americans"? Whenever someone points out what Russia is doing, they immediately praise the US for doing a lesser version of the same thing. If there's a similar significance does that mean you'll leave Ukraine afterwards?
- ghostwriter 4y ago
  It's counter productive to get into debates with people who call one side of the conflict as "orcs", it just shows that you've got skin in the game to object to everything that doesn't align with "Ukraine's right and is winning" narrative. But just to show your bias once again here's a few points: > What history does Russia have in Romania (it still occupies Transnistria)? It has the same common history with Carpathian Ruthenia land that Ukraine isn't willing to return to Hungary and Romania. > Whenever someone points out what Russia is doing, they immediately praise the US for doing a lesser version of the same thing. That's to show you that double-standards exist and that nobody seems to care as long as it serves their agenda.

TexanFeller 4y ago

We've had longstanding, well defined, and agreed upon hard lines that we drew for invading NATO allies bordering Russia. We did not have a treaty with or a policy for Ukraine before the invasion. Biden refused to draw a hard line when he had a chance before the invasion, he was explicitly asked. We knew this was coming and could have drawn a line, but didn't.

symlinkk 4y ago

> Should we (by we, I mean the rest of the world) just let them annex whatever land they want, with no consequences or resistance? Yeah why is it our problem?

xdennis 4y ago
Because Russia has stated when they started this phase of the war that they want NATO to return to its borders before the fall of communism. This means reoccupying all the eastern European countries that are part of NATO. Assuming you believe in honoring the alliance, it's a lot easier to provide Ukraine with ammunition than to let it fall and have to send American troops to fight in Poland/Romania/etc.