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I'm also amazed by the stories of managers who immediately layoff workers who said they will quit. Why ? Is this like some "Oh no you're not deciding to quit,

I'm also amazed by the stories of managers who immediately layoff workers who said they will quit. Why ? Is this like some "Oh no you're not deciding to quit, I decided first you're fired, I call dibs !" ? The dude said they will leave anyway. And doing the layoff will just allow him to leave without extensively teaching someone else. This should be illegal as well.

Turing_Machine 3y ago
That might actually be doing the employee a favor. In many jurisdictions you can start collecting unemployment a lot faster if you're laid off rather than quitting.
Loughla 3y ago
It really depends on the worker, in my experience, and their approach to the situation. I had one person who gave a full year's notice, so that we could hire, train, and integrate the new worker before she left. It was glorious and resulted in zero down time. I have had another who gave one month's notice, and spent the entire time being toxic. Digging out from under that took the better part of three years. The overlap for technical knowledge was just simply not worth the headaches in the team. It's highly subjective, but it really does depend on the person, in absence of a clear "they're out immediately policy". But as a manager, my preference is to select a date roughly one week out from the notice and use that as the exit day. That way the worker can close any relationships they have, positively, but if they go sour there isn't really enough time to screw up the rest of the team. In the context of your statement, we only hear one side of the argument. Remember that there is always a second perspective. I know that I have had folks who I have told to just go the same day they gave notice who tell their friends that I'm an uncaring asshat. The reality is that I fully expected them to be toxic in their remaining time.
- KptMarchewa 3y ago
  >I had one person who gave a full year's notice I don't understand how anyone could do this with exception of retirement. Who will hire you with one year long advance?
  - nicoburns 3y ago
    > Who will hire you with one year long advance? They probably hired them ahead of time and had both working for a time. It can also take a long time to find someone.
  - Loughla 3y ago
    She was quitting because she was going to be a stay at home mother. We hired the replacement and they worked side by side for ~ 10 months. It was amazing.
  - mym1990 3y ago
    I could see this happening in a project based environment or with someone who has a long term plan to pivot away from work(travel/family/having kids/etc). If you're working on something pretty big, you might be willing to see it through, and quit before moving on to the next thing.
  - ska 3y ago
    I wouldn't assume they were planning on a new job immediately. Could be maternity/paternity leave, a plan to sail around the world, whatever. Could also be an in demand skillset. If you get interest every week, you're probably not worried about being able to find work in 10 months or whatever.
    - ghaff 3y ago
      >you're probably not worried about being able to find work in 10 months or whatever. Which carries some risk. If you've had a dream to sail around the world, hike the Appalachian Trail, etc. and you have some decent money in the bank, it may be the right call. But you can also return to a more challenging employment environment.
      - ska 3y ago
        Obviously; lots of things have risk, that's part of life. I was just suggesting plausible scenarios where someone might have decided the risk/reward was right for them.
mym1990 3y ago
This is sometimes done as a security concern to keep employees from swiping data or causing havoc. An employer may also assume that an employee with 2 weeks left will have tanking productivity, so why keep them around? The good employees will try to wrap things up and do knowledge transfer, but this certainly isn't going to be the majority of people.
- Lacerda69 3y ago
  You can swipe the data and leave havoc causing traps before giving notice, right? what am i missing?
  - mym1990 3y ago
    The part where the employee has self-selected themselves as a risk. Lots of the major companies have capability to identify when an employee is downloading tons of data and files, but for the less sophisticated ones, you pretty much just have to look out for motive, and an employee giving notice is probably disgruntled...which is at least a little bit of motive.

Turing_Machine 3y ago

That might actually be doing the employee a favor. In many jurisdictions you can start collecting unemployment a lot faster if you're laid off rather than quitting.

Loughla 3y ago

It really depends on the worker, in my experience, and their approach to the situation. I had one person who gave a full year's notice, so that we could hire, train, and integrate the new worker before she left. It was glorious and resulted in zero down time. I have had another who gave one month's notice, and spent the entire time being toxic. Digging out from under that took the better part of three years. The overlap for technical knowledge was just simply not worth the headaches in the team. It's highly subjective, but it really does depend on the person, in absence of a clear "they're out immediately policy". But as a manager, my preference is to select a date roughly one week out from the notice and use that as the exit day. That way the worker can close any relationships they have, positively, but if they go sour there isn't really enough time to screw up the rest of the team. In the context of your statement, we only hear one side of the argument. Remember that there is always a second perspective. I know that I have had folks who I have told to just go the same day they gave notice who tell their friends that I'm an uncaring asshat. The reality is that I fully expected them to be toxic in their remaining time.

KptMarchewa 3y ago
>I had one person who gave a full year's notice I don't understand how anyone could do this with exception of retirement. Who will hire you with one year long advance?
- nicoburns 3y ago
  > Who will hire you with one year long advance? They probably hired them ahead of time and had both working for a time. It can also take a long time to find someone.
- Loughla 3y ago
  She was quitting because she was going to be a stay at home mother. We hired the replacement and they worked side by side for ~ 10 months. It was amazing.
- mym1990 3y ago
  I could see this happening in a project based environment or with someone who has a long term plan to pivot away from work(travel/family/having kids/etc). If you're working on something pretty big, you might be willing to see it through, and quit before moving on to the next thing.
- ska 3y ago
  I wouldn't assume they were planning on a new job immediately. Could be maternity/paternity leave, a plan to sail around the world, whatever. Could also be an in demand skillset. If you get interest every week, you're probably not worried about being able to find work in 10 months or whatever.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    >you're probably not worried about being able to find work in 10 months or whatever. Which carries some risk. If you've had a dream to sail around the world, hike the Appalachian Trail, etc. and you have some decent money in the bank, it may be the right call. But you can also return to a more challenging employment environment.
    - ska 3y ago
      Obviously; lots of things have risk, that's part of life. I was just suggesting plausible scenarios where someone might have decided the risk/reward was right for them.

mym1990 3y ago

This is sometimes done as a security concern to keep employees from swiping data or causing havoc. An employer may also assume that an employee with 2 weeks left will have tanking productivity, so why keep them around? The good employees will try to wrap things up and do knowledge transfer, but this certainly isn't going to be the majority of people.

Lacerda69 3y ago
You can swipe the data and leave havoc causing traps before giving notice, right? what am i missing?
- mym1990 3y ago
  The part where the employee has self-selected themselves as a risk. Lots of the major companies have capability to identify when an employee is downloading tons of data and files, but for the less sophisticated ones, you pretty much just have to look out for motive, and an employee giving notice is probably disgruntled...which is at least a little bit of motive.