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How the hell a Chevy Cruze gets 31mpg with a diesel??? A VW Passat TDI will easily get 60+ imperial MPG, I've had it get close to 70 on long runs(that's 50 and

How the hell a Chevy Cruze gets 31mpg with a diesel??? A VW Passat TDI will easily get 60+ imperial MPG, I've had it get close to 70 on long runs(that's 50 and 58 American MPG respectively). Are American diesels this inefficient?? Looking at pictures online the Chevy cruze doesn't seem like a bigger/heavier car than a Passat, so what gives??

kube-system 4y ago
I think they were citing city fuel economy. Some trims of the Cruise did get 50+ US MPG highway (when it was still sold here) Although I completely forgot it existed. There are not many diesel passenger cars on US roads. Diesel is consistently more expensive than petrol here.
dahwolf 4y ago
Here in the Netherlands, we'd translate 31mpg to "1 per 11". One can drive 11km on 1L of fuel. 1 per 11 is a joke. It's associated with heavy petrol cars from the 80s and 90s, before anybody even attempted efficiency. Even my 15 year old diesel car had an efficiency of 1/22. Adjust you driving style and I'd get 1/25. Range: 1000km, with an ordinary sized tank. It seems Americans haven't even started with efficiency, quite likely because there was no pressure to do so due to low fuel prices. Not in their homes, not in their cars, not anywhere.
- weberer 4y ago
  What's with these weird, grandiose generalizations I've been seeing about America on this site, based on single data points? Do you realize that other brands and models exist in the USA? Do you realize Tesla is and American company? Did you even check look into Chevy Cruze's mileage? Here's a guy getting 70mpg in a Chevy Cruze by driving 55mph on the highway. That's 30km/l. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15341744/the-prince-of-parsimony-squeezing-max-mileage-from-a-chevy-cruze-diesel/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15341744/the-prince-of-pa...
  - gambiting 4y ago
    In my defense - I replied to someone who gave the 31mpg number. I should have verified that information myself first.
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    I'm not even american, but it is getting so tiring. Especially when it comes from europeans, something about throwing stones from glass houses I guess? Self loathing americans aren't much better since they usually have a completely laughable view of the outside world ("America is a third world country!!"). It's not even the fact that most of those generalizations are factually false, it's mostly just that it leads to every. single. discussion circling back to be about the USA. (It reminds me of the super patriotic american circlejerk on the internet a decade+ ago, that had tons of europe bashing/america exceptionalism. But with the sides reversed and the delusional misplaced self-praise mostly coming from Europeans.)
  - Faaak 4y ago
    Tesla is not an efficiency king either though... My 2016 ioniq does ~12kWh/100km whereas tesla is closer to 22kWh/100km
    - gambiting 4y ago
      My 2021 volkswagen e-Up can easily do 10kWh/100km, but then it's pretty small and light.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  That's why Tesla started in europe. Right?
  - dahwolf 4y ago
    What does that even mean?

kube-system 4y ago

I think they were citing city fuel economy. Some trims of the Cruise did get 50+ US MPG highway (when it was still sold here) Although I completely forgot it existed. There are not many diesel passenger cars on US roads. Diesel is consistently more expensive than petrol here.

dahwolf 4y ago

Here in the Netherlands, we'd translate 31mpg to "1 per 11". One can drive 11km on 1L of fuel. 1 per 11 is a joke. It's associated with heavy petrol cars from the 80s and 90s, before anybody even attempted efficiency. Even my 15 year old diesel car had an efficiency of 1/22. Adjust you driving style and I'd get 1/25. Range: 1000km, with an ordinary sized tank. It seems Americans haven't even started with efficiency, quite likely because there was no pressure to do so due to low fuel prices. Not in their homes, not in their cars, not anywhere.

weberer 4y ago
What's with these weird, grandiose generalizations I've been seeing about America on this site, based on single data points? Do you realize that other brands and models exist in the USA? Do you realize Tesla is and American company? Did you even check look into Chevy Cruze's mileage? Here's a guy getting 70mpg in a Chevy Cruze by driving 55mph on the highway. That's 30km/l. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15341744/the-prince-of-parsimony-squeezing-max-mileage-from-a-chevy-cruze-diesel/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15341744/the-prince-of-pa...
- gambiting 4y ago
  In my defense - I replied to someone who gave the 31mpg number. I should have verified that information myself first.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  I'm not even american, but it is getting so tiring. Especially when it comes from europeans, something about throwing stones from glass houses I guess? Self loathing americans aren't much better since they usually have a completely laughable view of the outside world ("America is a third world country!!"). It's not even the fact that most of those generalizations are factually false, it's mostly just that it leads to every. single. discussion circling back to be about the USA. (It reminds me of the super patriotic american circlejerk on the internet a decade+ ago, that had tons of europe bashing/america exceptionalism. But with the sides reversed and the delusional misplaced self-praise mostly coming from Europeans.)
- Faaak 4y ago
  Tesla is not an efficiency king either though... My 2016 ioniq does ~12kWh/100km whereas tesla is closer to 22kWh/100km
  - gambiting 4y ago
    My 2021 volkswagen e-Up can easily do 10kWh/100km, but then it's pretty small and light.
mardifoufs 4y ago
That's why Tesla started in europe. Right?
- dahwolf 4y ago
  What does that even mean?