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I know this from the government, because they often have to officially open the position due to policies forcing them even when just renewing a contract. Is thi

I know this from the government, because they often have to officially open the position due to policies forcing them even when just renewing a contract. Is this the same for certain foundations?

orbifold 4y ago
It is the same in many areas I think. You get in if you know someone, or have a prior established rapport. At the very least that is a way more pleasant way of finding a new job.
- wouldbecouldbe 4y ago
  yeah but why you have to make an official job post? and not offer the job directly? In gov they are forced by policies, but most private orgs dont need to do such gymnastics.
  - mikro2nd 4y ago
    Depends where you are (jurisdiction)... in some countries the law requires an open offer.
Mordisquitos 4y ago
It's also the same in at least some, maybe many or most, large private businesses, not because of any legal requirement or regulation but as part of their internal ethical standards. Source: personal experience at the company where I work.
simsla 4y ago
If the job requires a visa, there's sometimes requirements to demonstrate you can't fill the position with local labour.
frereubu 4y ago
Same in higher (university-level) education in the UK due to legislation. It forces institutions not to become closed shops. In many cases the institution has a preferred internal candidate, but forcing them to open it up at least gets external people a foot in the door. In many cases the internal candidate is the best for the job because they know the institution well so they don't need to be brought up to speed on many systems and are familiar with its pedagogical philosophy, although there are obvious downsides where a department can become stagnant if it's always the internal candidate, like a kind of academic inbreeding. But I know of at least two cases where the external candidate won despite there being a preferred internal candidate because the external people were so much more suited to the role.
- wouldbecouldbe 4y ago
  Yeah I also had cases where we made the job so specific they had to do the interview with another candidate knowing they would not hire the candidate, if you ask me it's a puppet show. I understand it protects against certain things, but also make a lot of people dance around bureaucracy needlessly. Im sure, like many of us, you've sighed about things being needlessly bureacratic at some point in your live, this is one of those things that cause good people to feel very frustrated.

I know this from the government, because they often have to officially open the position due to policies forcing them even when just renewing a contract. Is this the same for certain foundations?

orbifold 4y ago

It is the same in many areas I think. You get in if you know someone, or have a prior established rapport. At the very least that is a way more pleasant way of finding a new job.

wouldbecouldbe 4y ago
yeah but why you have to make an official job post? and not offer the job directly? In gov they are forced by policies, but most private orgs dont need to do such gymnastics.
- mikro2nd 4y ago
  Depends where you are (jurisdiction)... in some countries the law requires an open offer.

Mordisquitos 4y ago

It's also the same in at least some, maybe many or most, large private businesses, not because of any legal requirement or regulation but as part of their internal ethical standards. Source: personal experience at the company where I work.

simsla 4y ago

If the job requires a visa, there's sometimes requirements to demonstrate you can't fill the position with local labour.

frereubu 4y ago

Same in higher (university-level) education in the UK due to legislation. It forces institutions not to become closed shops. In many cases the institution has a preferred internal candidate, but forcing them to open it up at least gets external people a foot in the door. In many cases the internal candidate is the best for the job because they know the institution well so they don't need to be brought up to speed on many systems and are familiar with its pedagogical philosophy, although there are obvious downsides where a department can become stagnant if it's always the internal candidate, like a kind of academic inbreeding. But I know of at least two cases where the external candidate won despite there being a preferred internal candidate because the external people were so much more suited to the role.

wouldbecouldbe 4y ago
Yeah I also had cases where we made the job so specific they had to do the interview with another candidate knowing they would not hire the candidate, if you ask me it's a puppet show. I understand it protects against certain things, but also make a lot of people dance around bureaucracy needlessly. Im sure, like many of us, you've sighed about things being needlessly bureacratic at some point in your live, this is one of those things that cause good people to feel very frustrated.