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and they're already talking about starting GTK5. CADT all the way down.

by davidgerard 4y ago

psychoslave 4y ago
CADT?
- evertedsphere 4y ago
  https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
  - HeckFeck 4y ago
    good old HTTP referrer at it again. A bit ironic knowing the source of JWZ's wealth!
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - CuriousCosmic 4y ago
      Yep. That's why one of the first things I do when I set up firefox is to go into `about:configs` and change `network.http.referer.XOriginPolicy` to 1. For context: 0: no restrictions/default 1: only send if base domain matches (i.e. news.ycombinator.com would only include the referrer for *.ycombinator.com links) 2: only send if entire domain matches (i.e. news.ycombinator.com would only include the referrer for news.ycombinator.com links)
      - account42 4y ago
        I use an extension to always send the base domain of the target as the "Referer" and have not encountered any problems (or at least not any that I cared enough to investigate the cause for). It's absurd that Firefox still has this privacy leak by default considering how much they present themselves as privacy friendly.
        CuriousCosmic 4y ago
        Firefox some time recently cracked down on unnecessary referrers but they are still fairly conservative about it because it breaks some sites and if you are too aggressive about it then you end up with users assuming that's firefox not working properly.
        mixmastamyk 4y ago
        Not since FF 87.
- KwanEsq 4y ago
  Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers, I believe. A coining of jwz's. Invoked for the tendency to do rewrites instead of maintaining and bug fixing, since rewrites are more "interesting".
  - prox 4y ago
    Could also be a side coinage if I read it correctly as “Shiny Object Syndrome” , wanting to use the latest new techniques that are in the hype cycle.
- smcl 4y ago
  "Cascade of Attention Deficit Teens" - it's a phrase coined by jwz (of Mozilla fame) to refer to how some some projects (he specifically targeted GNOME) tend to throw out mature-but-imperfect code and rewrite it from one version to the next rather than addressing bugs and problems in the existing software. I think it's a little unfair of him to single out young developers, but I have seen the 1.x -> 2.x rewrite before too so he's not wrong overall. If you want to read the original article search for "The CADT Model" - I would link to the article but JWZ shows requests with referer "news.ycombinator.com" an image that you may not like if you're at work :) edit: oh I just clicked the link someone posted (in a [Dead] comment), it seems he has removed the functionality I described
  - lwkl 4y ago
    > edit: oh I just clicked the link someone posted (in a [Dead] comment), it seems he has removed the functionality I described Your browser probably just doesn’t send the referer header to protect your privacy.
  - majou 4y ago
    Still has the referrer troll.
    - smcl 4y ago
      Weirdly I am now seeing it again. I don't know what happened :-S
  - account42 4y ago
    > I would link to the article but JWZ shows requests with referer "news.ycombinator.com" an image that you may not like if you're at work :) IMO anyone who has not configured their browser not to send cross-domain Referer headers deserves whatever they get. There is no user benefit for this privacy leak and browsers should have trashed it decades ago.
    - deleted 4y ago
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- sprash 4y ago
  CADT would imply this kind of sabotage is not happening on purpose. There are certain parties that have keen interest in a severely dysfunctional FOSS desktop. It's more like GSAW (GNOME Saboteurs At Work).
chris_wot 4y ago
I’m pretty certain gtk has been evolving with decent migration paths from one version from to the next.
- yrro 4y ago
  But are those migrations actually happening? I still see many GNOME packages still depend on libgtk-3-0!
- davidgerard 4y ago
  What I see in practice is long-running migration projects.
yrro 4y ago
Hmm. On my current system I have 32 packages installed that depend on libgtk2.0-0; 217 packages that depend on libgtk-3-0 and 62 that depend on libgtk-4-1. Will I sound like too much of a grumpy user if I express dismay at yet another protracted migration?

and they're already talking about starting GTK5. CADT all the way down.

psychoslave 4y ago

CADT?

evertedsphere 4y ago
https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
- HeckFeck 4y ago
  good old HTTP referrer at it again. A bit ironic knowing the source of JWZ's wealth!
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - CuriousCosmic 4y ago
    Yep. That's why one of the first things I do when I set up firefox is to go into `about:configs` and change `network.http.referer.XOriginPolicy` to 1. For context: 0: no restrictions/default 1: only send if base domain matches (i.e. news.ycombinator.com would only include the referrer for *.ycombinator.com links) 2: only send if entire domain matches (i.e. news.ycombinator.com would only include the referrer for news.ycombinator.com links)
    - account42 4y ago
      I use an extension to always send the base domain of the target as the "Referer" and have not encountered any problems (or at least not any that I cared enough to investigate the cause for). It's absurd that Firefox still has this privacy leak by default considering how much they present themselves as privacy friendly.
      - CuriousCosmic 4y ago
        Firefox some time recently cracked down on unnecessary referrers but they are still fairly conservative about it because it breaks some sites and if you are too aggressive about it then you end up with users assuming that's firefox not working properly.
      - mixmastamyk 4y ago
        Not since FF 87.
KwanEsq 4y ago
Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers, I believe. A coining of jwz's. Invoked for the tendency to do rewrites instead of maintaining and bug fixing, since rewrites are more "interesting".
- prox 4y ago
  Could also be a side coinage if I read it correctly as “Shiny Object Syndrome” , wanting to use the latest new techniques that are in the hype cycle.
smcl 4y ago
"Cascade of Attention Deficit Teens" - it's a phrase coined by jwz (of Mozilla fame) to refer to how some some projects (he specifically targeted GNOME) tend to throw out mature-but-imperfect code and rewrite it from one version to the next rather than addressing bugs and problems in the existing software. I think it's a little unfair of him to single out young developers, but I have seen the 1.x -> 2.x rewrite before too so he's not wrong overall. If you want to read the original article search for "The CADT Model" - I would link to the article but JWZ shows requests with referer "news.ycombinator.com" an image that you may not like if you're at work :) edit: oh I just clicked the link someone posted (in a [Dead] comment), it seems he has removed the functionality I described
- lwkl 4y ago
  > edit: oh I just clicked the link someone posted (in a [Dead] comment), it seems he has removed the functionality I described Your browser probably just doesn’t send the referer header to protect your privacy.
- majou 4y ago
  Still has the referrer troll.
  - smcl 4y ago
    Weirdly I am now seeing it again. I don't know what happened :-S
- account42 4y ago
  > I would link to the article but JWZ shows requests with referer "news.ycombinator.com" an image that you may not like if you're at work :) IMO anyone who has not configured their browser not to send cross-domain Referer headers deserves whatever they get. There is no user benefit for this privacy leak and browsers should have trashed it decades ago.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
sprash 4y ago
CADT would imply this kind of sabotage is not happening on purpose. There are certain parties that have keen interest in a severely dysfunctional FOSS desktop. It's more like GSAW (GNOME Saboteurs At Work).

chris_wot 4y ago

I’m pretty certain gtk has been evolving with decent migration paths from one version from to the next.

yrro 4y ago
But are those migrations actually happening? I still see many GNOME packages still depend on libgtk-3-0!
davidgerard 4y ago
What I see in practice is long-running migration projects.

yrro 4y ago

Hmm. On my current system I have 32 packages installed that depend on libgtk2.0-0; 217 packages that depend on libgtk-3-0 and 62 that depend on libgtk-4-1. Will I sound like too much of a grumpy user if I express dismay at yet another protracted migration?