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Stop Using jQuery. Use Javascript. Use Nodejs.

7 points by donbronson 15y ago

kayman 15y ago
Coffeescript makes it more fun to code javascript. Node.js is icing. Would be interested in production setup of Node.js
indspenceable 15y ago
I don't follow why not to use jQuery. Because then you can roll your own library, and deal with the bugs that they've already fixed when making jQuery? And also you can implement all of the browser dependent cases yourself? Help me out, here.
- abi_wan 15y ago
  Exactly! How is reinventing the wheel going to help? The title doesn't make any sense.
- duko 15y ago
  There are only a handful of cross browser incompatibilities and the JQuery source is painful to read. Why _should_ one use JQuery?
videoappeal 15y ago
Bad advice. Coffeescript isnt a framework, it is a language. So for your DOM manipulation you say you understand the quirks and difference between WebKit and IE7, what about the host of over rendering engines, mobile/tablet/desktop and different OS editions. I bet there exists dozen of bugs in your implementation. But thats how startups waste money I guess. If JQuery isnt your style use another abstraction library or a lightweight version of jQuery, combined with minification, gzipping or a CDN, rolling your own (at your current level) is just STUPID, risky and a waste of money. Typical NIH.
tjholowaychuk 15y ago
people need to actually learn javascript / the dom etc.. all this indirection (coffeescript / jquery) just dumbs people down, at very least do yourself a favour and learn (at least some) of the underlying tech first
- firefoxman1 15y ago
  That's very true. I remember when I thought I "knew" JS because I knew the syntax and could use jQuery. Not knowing what we don't know is the worst.
- lucisferre 15y ago
  That still isn't a reason not to use jQuery.
- donbronson 15y ago
  Exactly. This comes out when interviewing front-end developers who claim they understand Javascript. Then, when I ask them to do something trivial, they pull out an 80Kb library and need to look up basic documentation to center a DIV. Bah!

7 points by donbronson 15y ago

Coffeescript makes it more fun to code javascript. Node.js is icing. Would be interested in production setup of Node.js

I don't follow why not to use jQuery. Because then you can roll your own library, and deal with the bugs that they've already fixed when making jQuery? And also you can implement all of the browser dependent cases yourself? Help me out, here.

abi_wan 15y ago
Exactly! How is reinventing the wheel going to help? The title doesn't make any sense.
duko 15y ago
There are only a handful of cross browser incompatibilities and the JQuery source is painful to read. Why _should_ one use JQuery?

videoappeal 15y ago

Bad advice. Coffeescript isnt a framework, it is a language. So for your DOM manipulation you say you understand the quirks and difference between WebKit and IE7, what about the host of over rendering engines, mobile/tablet/desktop and different OS editions. I bet there exists dozen of bugs in your implementation. But thats how startups waste money I guess. If JQuery isnt your style use another abstraction library or a lightweight version of jQuery, combined with minification, gzipping or a CDN, rolling your own (at your current level) is just STUPID, risky and a waste of money. Typical NIH.

tjholowaychuk 15y ago

people need to actually learn javascript / the dom etc.. all this indirection (coffeescript / jquery) just dumbs people down, at very least do yourself a favour and learn (at least some) of the underlying tech first

firefoxman1 15y ago
That's very true. I remember when I thought I "knew" JS because I knew the syntax and could use jQuery. Not knowing what we don't know is the worst.
lucisferre 15y ago
That still isn't a reason not to use jQuery.
donbronson 15y ago
Exactly. This comes out when interviewing front-end developers who claim they understand Javascript. Then, when I ask them to do something trivial, they pull out an 80Kb library and need to look up basic documentation to center a DIV. Bah!